From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 8OnsGnW9j2A6JgEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 03 May 2021 11:08:05 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id 6A6JFnW9j2DuZAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 03 May 2021 09:08:05 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E64711F742 for ; Mon, 3 May 2021 11:08:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:32936 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldUYd-0002Sg-Vo for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 03 May 2021 05:08:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58640) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldUSe-0004li-Su for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2021 05:01:52 -0400 Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:33782) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldUSc-0006El-Ry; Mon, 03 May 2021 05:01:52 -0400 Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ldUSZ-0001uk-8k; Mon, 03 May 2021 05:01:47 -0400 From: Mark H Weaver To: Leo Prikler , Giovanni Biscuolo , Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: Criticisms of my "tone" (was Re: A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes) In-Reply-To: <1d5132d2fe2a9081906dedef574e466a357d4800.camel@student.tugraz.at> References: <87tunz11mf.fsf@netris.org> <87y2daz13x.fsf@netris.org> <87r1j2z079.fsf@netris.org> <87a6pqypf9.fsf@netris.org> <87wnsp7yo9.fsf@gnu.org> <87v986pdej.fsf@netris.org> <874kfm75fl.fsf@biscuolo.net> <1bbb100c34c660eaa697ae7ea9ea7ea3638c4c50.camel@student.tugraz.at> <87wnsije63.fsf@netris.org> <877dkhrfnj.fsf@netris.org> <1d5132d2fe2a9081906dedef574e466a357d4800.camel@student.tugraz.at> Date: Mon, 03 May 2021 05:00:58 -0400 Message-ID: <871raop4wq.fsf@netris.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.112.178.59; envelope-from=mhw@netris.org; helo=world.peace.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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I'll let you have the last word on most of our conversation threads, but I feel compelled to briefly counter one claim of yours: Leo Prikler writes: > Am Samstag, den 01.05.2021, 23:13 -0400 schrieb Mark H Weaver: >> I don't think I fumbled on the facts at all. It's true that I didn't >> yet have _all_ of the relevant facts, but as far as I know, every >> fact that I presented is true. >>=20 >> If you disagree, can you please provide a counterexample? > > In your very first message you made it seems as though Raghav single- > handedly authored and pushed the changes in question and called into > question their reliability as a committer. The former was based on > "facts", that turned out half-true =E2=80=93 Raghav did push that commit,= but > they did so thinking that L=C3=A9o did proper review, which they did not = =E2=80=93 Here, once again, you've failed to point out any of my *actual* words to back up your (bogus) claim that I "fumbled on the facts". Instead, you speak of how I "made it seem". You put more words into my mouth. That's not nice. Please stop it. Thanks, Mark --=20 Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about .