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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1626079098; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=oGyO6axc6ShGdD+phwzj5ITjPXFkWE1nPcid3W4ckZI=; b=p8iV4T6tiWrFppK8EklqQ/GPx7PVln2c9i30a9a684/jq8jcHLnChUoNz/47Ds+WzVDCad 970GE35zcT/AaB7ARapIVZzu/XMvaR3iu+vlqt5kD1WN7PR0cCLI9axcjtTCK0jpJLpWbq IPDCbxkJPUT9YlPO43oPXzUzcpArMsUO7pD14K675T+Cos0NA5ZP1hNvK7Fq355KVuZO87 VxFV8aQpHXAv1ayC0WfR1oWh1eLbBsh7/lG8cd4yT9Tcq1MVZOaVgc5Cd2vQkAzI8FCwjl pdEcJKTA8I8C872aJvysVNXU10X8sodTII3rckg4cgydv6Ho3tzzAdrP4Qhdaw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1626079098; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=fuXnz8wYqVJca33C/dIJRc9VJsu44oL5GeFfaGkwXv0X69C2fhp4QzbJz63HcSDgbxkmWG zTtGrWJvoOiAl65Koi9Pw/WDpOkcH7eGmjaVam9FIdDV68xDXe3CxCfQEA2NEKZXBUPAIN C7IJCWCE/Ihu2VWaoxi2uQRVzeai+bXaeGF+grRjZ2IBJFNaKOo7Avc42F66ZiRwLKDt88 6WoMUmphowsvDtFdgoOMcCiyHP3Zd82a43Senj/qZ133QTMwdnSxrtyQb0qZaXoEunxNfC lVO/uI/Yf7bHDJHkGlNJDTathSWgW8HqZDX4oxLa4pfEm6QDz1S9/VLPd2+crA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.00 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E84563C8CD X-Spam-Score: -3.00 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 4FXYRS89YFsZ --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Bone Baboon, thank you for pointing this facts but how many times do we have (I mean me and you) to discuss about telemetry to be assured it's never enabled by default in Guix... and if not that's a bug? :-) Bone Baboon writes: [...] > # Audacity's new administration > > Audacity has new administration. Based on these announcements Audacity > is now part of Muse Group. > > May 3 2021 this announcement was made on Audacity's website > This is "old news" and this should not be an issue by itself. [...] > * The introduction of telemetry > Already discussed, see below [...] > * The introduction of a contributor license agreement > Can I say that's not a Guix problem? :-) AFAIU The Muse Group intentions are that Audacity it's going to be GPLv3+, that's even better than GPLv2... good luck Muse Group! > * A new privacy policy That's relevant only for people using telemetry (off by default); AFAIU privacy policies are not covered by FSDG: am I wrong? [...] > The introduction of telemetry has been discussed here > . As you say, we already had recent discussions about telemetry: =2D https://yhetil.org/guix-devel/875yzme70r.fsf@disroot.org/ =C2=ABFree software telemetry and the Guix System=C2=BB in particurar Mark H Weaver reply https://yhetil.org/guix-devel/87sg2pjib3.fsf@netris.org/ "Telemetry is strictly optional and disabled by default." =2D https://yhetil.org/guix-devel/87fsxm7s69.fsf@disroot.org/ =C2=ABTelemetry on by default kitty=C2=BB il particurar the fact that there is general consensus among Guix maintainers that phoning home should be disabled by default in all FSDG compliant packages I'm not following discussions on GitHub on telemetry but AFAIU the situation has not changed since we had the above mentioned discussions: am I wrong? In general, we can take as granted that if we find a package in Guix with telemetry enabled by default we can consider it a bug a file a proper bug report so it can be fixed if possible or the package removed if not. > # Audacity Forks [...] > It is probably to early to tell which if any of the Audacity forks are > going to be maintained over an extended period of time. > > # Guix and Audacity [...] > Before the next update of the version of Audacity that Guix packages > it would probably be a good idea to reassess the situation with Muse > Group's Audacity and the Audacity forks. I think the situation it's already clear enough to agree there is no issue with the introduction of optional telemetry in Aucacity in particular and with telemetry in Guix in general. Happy hacking! 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