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Consider reaching out to Andy Wingo (wingo in IRC in #guile). I hope I am not laying this issue at his feet by suggesting this, but I have interacted with him a handful of times, and he is a genuinely nice and helpful person, and also a guile maintainer. I am pretty confident he would want to help make this problem better -- especially if there are those willing to do some work. Good luck! I have also found myself hunting around for basic functionality, and not being a guiler, nor even a schemer (I love lisps, but I mostly write emacs-lisp and common-lisp), wondering why things are fragmented into weird modules. It's a shame, because I feel like I would be contributing bigger features to Guix if I could stop bouncing off the language. -- Katherine