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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Paul Alesius Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1648314967; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=bWTKdQRb79v8lqcb2inaGb75B+GKVP+s6mel1wg8eWQ=; b=QF5qnjdD3yAUbL9Jj0eBgtRcZ0l1BbqcuxC20tvf5GYlU6r0byfa3Spl0Gnkm7Kzc0OgNi wW1eyuA7aHC02xJApDa8vUp4IqQQSC3PqxJzfeB/2aduqQYBmfhzUpwb9Gn91LzagBtrfZ riwB/MjdAWejIukakWWpc9xOosvmaidS+UaIwxOVlrBZhpuX5SXDXKhSAuWZSH50IXbYA2 +tReh/BL7pREVJhLMqnwMdH+N4q2aVgsACMTA/khzBaDHVeqT4Za4PygYmUjoFU+7/iwW9 5vOztp+9usUFaixE2HQitRMO3k8JJAwmA99govqEjDmZ3AtJrLKD0F2UvG/t3g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1648314967; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=rBTQhIuoKTp6NzMw9TtlXQc69GugXcsWZrLcxfSZDUKn2iAehzLm/B4T8ytITa8P9/2Fty K1HMSF8PAVaZ9RjY/oQxU1pxUPpSVfHVoLuflw3okPV/Xh+dceaheyojL5NOYCDeC2limj f9jrW+ARhdmVLZ97K0PDEvkurTgdgxjlP9RqxGLzzxboo385AiQCz6LYs/QQlwMhPLqb7I OwIWwQRbiejpwOCNl31GpW66QjM+hOSOthJhc0v09I/5hkCeQKn2r74ZHiFPpywwuG8eIc vET+BC9M+2Fn8/lML63FGtn76OXn2ajjGMompMpLv0XsfPlaaHN1+7UJ8D+UbQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=asu-edu.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.s=20210112 header.b=exS9e8PL; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=asu.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 6.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=asu-edu.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.s=20210112 header.b=exS9e8PL; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=asu.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D6F572E451 X-Spam-Score: 6.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: ssMCebo7WxDY Hi Paul And Maxime, > Even if you didn't succeed at updating _all_ dependencies, if you > have patches for some of them, please send them. It will help people > in the future with updating rust-analyzer or other rust packages. I had a patchset (here: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/46162) adding rust-analyzer and the rest of the other tools that come part of the rust tree. I think it would not be too much work to add if added as outputs/companion packages to rust itself. > For many people, a vaguely recent-ish version would be sufficient. At > least, that's the case for C, GCC and Clang. > ... > It might be possible to do "cargo xtask install --server", but many > advantages of Guix would be lost. That worked for me. I was using guix' rust tooling for my job. I much prefer using guix over rustup/cargo. I just had to patch rust a lot and my patches haven't made it in (yet?). > Indeed, e.g. it would be nice to figure out how to eliminate #:skip- > build?, replace #:cargo-inputs by regular inputs, figure out how to > stop having to package multiple versions of the same package. My gut feeling is still that the functional package managers need to collaborate with the rust/cargo team. Rust itself just does not lend itself well to the model. It is a shame since we share many of the same goals (reproducibility and reliability come to the top of mind). Kindly, John