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Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Or if we do want to explain more, then perhaps we need a list of > features that would also include things like Docker/VM image generation, > declarative home environments, etc. But that=E2=80=99s broader topic. Yes, that makes sense. I'm not the best person to summarize it, but starting pointers if someone wants to take it further: * Dedication to free software goals and the GNU community * Shepherd init system written in Guile * Declarative stateless system configurations * Transactional upgrades and roll-backs * Reproducible build environments * Designed towards bootstrappable builds Maybe this fits better directly in the Introduction section of the manual? https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Introduction.html > PS: For the record, the phrase =E2=80=9Cadvanced distribution of the GNU = system=E2=80=9D > was coined by RMS at a time where he insisted that this thing cannot > be called =E2=80=9Cthe GNU system=E2=80=9D. All this makes little se= nse, even less > so today, but if you=E2=80=99re curious you may enjoy Andreas=E2=80= =99 entertaining > talk: https://10years.guix.gnu.org/video/ten-years-of-failures/ Ah, thanks, the wording of that paragraph is more understandable now! I can see how that wording came about, and also how it clarify compared to the GNU system. I think this knowledge was the missing piece I didn't have. As an introduction to what Guix is for someone without earlier understanding of GNU etc, I still believe that the word 'advanced' does not contribute though. /Simon --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIoEARYIADIWIQSjzJyHC50xCrrUzy9RcisI/kdFogUCY4TJYxQcc2ltb25Aam9z ZWZzc29uLm9yZwAKCRBRcisI/kdFohcvAP9fSEaCskn+rXsTBxtAYNER7E67TmhW ulahNAX77vLb6QD/ePqMovelgcibeLlsPLG8c3ds0joNY3Y8S/ESCZ+DMg4= =tzVG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--