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I'm not the best person to summarize it, but >> starting pointers if someone wants to take it further: >> >> * Dedication to free software goals and the GNU community >> >> * Shepherd init system written in Guile >> >> * Declarative stateless system configurations >> >> * Transactional upgrades and roll-backs >> >> * Reproducible build environments >> >> * Designed towards bootstrappable builds >> >> Maybe this fits better directly in the Introduction section of the >> manual? https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Introduction.html > > I guess we should rework the =E2=80=9CIntroduction=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9C= Features=E2=80=9D sections, > which were written in the early days. > > The points you list above are a great starting point, and I guess that > would also be a good fit for the front page; currently there=E2=80=99s no > =E2=80=9Cfeature list=E2=80=9D there. That old =E2=80=9CGuix in action= =E2=80=9D video also ought to be > replaced. Reflecting on the feature list, I think we should mention that Guix is a _rolling_ distribution and package manager, and maybe explain what that means. I don't think this is clear from the web site or manual now, but I may be missing it. Perhaps the release and update model of Guix could use some dedicated new documentation? The relationship between the rolling master branch, the core-updates branch, the security graft mechanism, the substitute build servers and the versioned installer releases is not terribly clear to me as a new user, and having an understanding of these concepts helps to make contributions. I have a feeling there may be more nuances that are useful to know about that I'm not familiar with; for example, the intended use of the version-X.Y.Z branches. /Simon --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIoEARYIADIWIQSjzJyHC50xCrrUzy9RcisI/kdFogUCY7wCYhQcc2ltb25Aam9z ZWZzc29uLm9yZwAKCRBRcisI/kdFoq35AP96HWhyXQ6KCNzDV/4IWDASP/wdaQfm dXGFIeWyWNHDugEA89bYBDXD0ao/ocH3fvSsiDSfG8ct4CsV8qZZyaisrwA= =djmP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--