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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.29 X-Spam-Score: -4.29 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7CCC353AFE X-TUID: pF5JI41+bP5C Maxim Cournoyer writes: > Hi Ricardo, > > Ricardo Wurmus writes: > >> Vagrant Cascadian writes: >> >>> The only thing clunky about this particular aspect of the workflow >>> described is the fact that the guix community (maintainers?) have >>> decided on a one patch per mail policy with a cover letter, rather than >>> submitting the patches as attachments in the initial mail. >> >> You are right. When I started contributing I actually did attach all >> patches in one email. I wonder why we stopped doing that. > > It's still allowed as far as I know. But due to missing out on > notifying team members automatically (handled by 'git send-email') and > sometimes causing issues for reviewers to apply patches, it's > understandable that 'git send-email' is the most recommended option. > >> I=E2=80=99ll say that many of my gripes with (the GNU instance of) Debbu= gs are >> due to the fact that we can=E2=80=99t customize it to better suit our ne= eds =E2=80=94 it >> is a shared resource with a complicated maintenance story. So all >> changes went into Mumi as crude workarounds. I think this is a dead end >> and we=E2=80=99d be better off leaving the shared GNU instance of Debbugs >> behind. > > I'd be sad to loose at least two good things from Debbugs: > > 1. It's hosted by the GNU/FSF for us. It always work, and the rare > times it doesn't, the folks in #savannah are hard at work resolving the > problems. While hosting sourcehut is probably not too difficult, keeping > it up to date (Go...) and running would be yet another weigh on our > meager sysadmin team. > > 2. Integration with Emacs. emacs-debbugs is useful. I think it's the > only successful thing we have at keeping track of old tickets and > resuming discussion or acting on these. Doesn't Magit have a generic forge integration? > I like how clean Mumi looks, compared to most forge issue trackers. I'm > not convinced by its search results (perhaps I'd need to get to know > what Xapian is).