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Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Tournier To: Sarthak Shah , Guix Devel Subject: Re: A Forum for Guix Users In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 13:54:49 +0200 Message-ID: <86v8dbxn5i.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::42f; envelope-from=zimon.toutoune@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x42f.google.com X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.592, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -9.57 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D79694ED25 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.57 X-TUID: Pqduu5i84S66 Hi, On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 19:22, Sarthak Shah wrote: > I think we should seriously consider having a user forum similar to > Debian's User Forum or Nixos' Discourse. Well, I shared my opinion in the other thread: A Forum for Guix Users from Distopico Tue, 18 Jul 2023 06:45:16 -0500 https://yhetil.org/guix/87bkg9wigq.fsf@riseup.net with my message 86a5unz4ap.fsf@gmail.com.=20 And to be explicit: do not count on me for interacting with Discourse. For two reasons: 1. Because I have never find the way to deal with it with intermittent internet connection. How do you deal with such forum in batch-mode? More than often, I process (read and/or answer) the volume of Guix messages off-line. As I am doing right now. :-) For example, before going to somewhere without internet connection (meeting or else) and because I know that I will have some slots of free time (boring meeting or else), well I just fetch the last messages, and then I process the messages. Once back to some internet connection, I send all my replies. Without that batch-mode feature, I would not just read most of the messages and probably I would never answer. For example, today I am not following Haskell or OCaml or Python because Discourse forces me the way of interaction. Well, because I find that way so boring: open my web-browser, click, no filter, etc., I am scrolling only the Discourse of OCaml once per month or so. Maybe I have missed the offline procedure because I have not checked Discourse features since last months (years?). 2. Because I find insane to have such resource-hungry client/server configuration for only exchanging small pieces of text. Instead of calling to require more for doing the same (or sometimes even less) but using more resource, I am calling to the opposite: doing more with less. I strongly think we must collectively reflect on how to do using less. We have to drastically decrease the global CO2 footprint and every gram counts. Obviously, we have to be welcoming. For sure we have to think and re-think and think again and again about the best ways to be welcoming and helpful. However, I disagree that Discourse or similar will bring something on the table. Well, I will not bet that people currently helping in mailing lists would continue to provide answers using Discourse and I will not bet that instead new experienced users would answer to question on Discourse. There is a trade-off between newcomer=E2=80=99s expectations about the way = to get help and experienced users who provide such help. I fear that switching to Discourse could indeed meet newcomer=E2=80=99s expectations but loosing those experienced users. Cheers, simon