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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.63 X-Spam-Score: -5.63 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 88EA9EBBC X-TUID: LhDZoawIoMLi Hi Katherine, On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 at 20:58, Katherine Cox-Buday wrote: > OK, great! What are next steps, and how can I help? Well, from my point of view, the next steps are: + Propose a survey (questions), open a new thread (or a bug report) for iterating. + Review how to distribute the survey. + Prepare the skeleton for generating a report about the stats from the survey. Maybe the person or group of people in charge of this survey could be in touch with Emacs folks. They did a survey on 2022 [1]. 1: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-10/msg01824.html > Before I opened this can of worms, I was planning on trying to work on=20 > the Go branch/packages=20 > (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2023-08/msg00058.html).=20 > But since I'm the cause of all this, and it will indirectly help me with= =20 > Go things (which is why I brought it up), how can I help? Having a survey will not be wasted, IMHO. As you said, although there are bias =E2=80=93 the first one is the way to distribute it ;-) =E2=80=93 = it will help to inform about the status. Having some stats about Guix users and contributors will explicitly spot what we probably already know but having that will help, for sure. Well, something unrelated. For instance, I spent some time to run an experiment for checking a real-world worst-case scenario when fallbacking to Software Heritage [2]. This lists all the frictions. All these frictions were more or less already known but having explicitly collected them makes easier the path for improving. That=E2=80= =99s somehow the measure you were talking about. A survey and the associated report will act similarly: list what we more or less already know, and then make easier the path for improving. 2: https://simon.tournier.info/posts/2023-06-23-hackathon-repro.html Cheers, simon