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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Domagoj Stolfa Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1637533126; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=RUbwlUw4GeiytKfCgBW1VMtRw027aOYiVNGed0/JQgI=; b=q2G7siLzx5iWm1dNHJS7cLS1fETUjWDn7Cyg5/G1WvnrZlofFjUrwXVavW/7YC2hkayERJ cBfohumRaWP22jyXyf5o+Sm5wuIg5kRv/mPOqqAg+4Cj6tUyBcZ2VsZJJdFiUBdNpxhyLO ITNI6gGNA2L8NsZ89CnFyLsR+FvH3qCzPqw8r1uM25L8gyb08MVJpOeyRx3XQhKkdbp0Gd NI5eb5nIWGbjlX3TQOko5W/EH+aZutpiLXeV4JyB8qJMpzwJ8FUzqLeM8XEJfc6AUvN8Ae 9ahtLoPyTNpVPDc+1g3ydweQrzpkUQQ3tBSe2d72vgbmsOq3i+a0FR3aUhAHkw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1637533126; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SK4ErDmofjipNdjMbK+CkkG4xh7u9/kuXd8L7mqPVFsNnqKKft1ER9mw2x+MaEDrY5e10I LoqctY4b+hTEjrUlAM/J7NxXqs5ZKM9jRicu7+QYZxVdOC+Z05VNlU+7dh5MMHwC6rG+Aa 2OCFw6iPq7i+og4XL56HaKzamPDhWKwu0fcejvytzG9BC4P7H5zZKA3dM96Bq+R/GF4lGn blpHXZEEb6A2c44PrytXbgSw4yu+ctP2asnLKprR+HW908z8VS9tNySFNyIfWsy9rUq3sH dOs3u6naN0frl2smqR55P7k/O97nysbMXufXFIUicWSGkGoepZNQ98YVpAXufw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=prUkroau; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.08 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=prUkroau; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2CF0133952 X-Spam-Score: -3.08 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: ku++utu6Ir0M Hi Denis, On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 at 02:33, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli wrote: >> That's not the general consensus at all > On what part precisely is there no consensus? Consensus about distributing ZFS as source code but not as binary. As the comment says, IIUC: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (arguments `(;; The ZFS kernel module should not be downloaded since the license ;; terms don't allow for distributing it, only building it locally. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > Summary: > -------- > You can't combine work under incompatible free software licenses in a > combined or derived work, and if you want to do that you need either > work to be re-licensed under compatible free software licenses (like > GPLv2 with an exception), but to do that you need to own the copyright > on that work. A complete analysis [1] of the situation is exposed by Software Freedom Conservancy. As pointed [2] by Florian, this discussion about ZFS license had been recently opened, again. And closed [3]. :-) (When reviewing the still pending contribution for adding ZFS service) For what my opinion is worth, first this case has never been pleaded in Court, so it is impossible to claim a clear line for this grey area. It is only speculation on what could perhaps happen in Court; even more precisely in US Court =E2=80=93 I am not convinced these arguments hold similarly in European Courts or elsewhere; another story. Second, I am not qualified to interpret what lawyers write, I mean jokingly, =C2=AB I think any perceived =E2=80=98legal=E2=80=99 issues are a distraction =C2=BB= =E2=80=93 quoting Tobias [4]. ;-) Thanks for sharing your concerns. I am not sure to share them but indeed it could probably be worth to ask FSF or SFC or lawyers a clear question on this case and get a clear answer. 1: 2: 3: 4: Cheers, simon