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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.31 X-Spam-Score: -6.31 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7623244A92 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-TUID: cj36cTeryCNF Hi Giovanni, On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 at 09:33, Giovanni Biscuolo wrote: > since I already replied you offline please forgive me for any > repetitions, but later I realized a better comment to your metaphore > (see below) could be useful to other people. Since your offlist comment is more or less about the same idea, let me paste my answer. :-) First, Guix is done by volunteers and is not an =E2=80=9Cindustrial food company=E2=80=9D. :-) Being done by volunteers does not mean low-quality = =E2=80=93 Guix is probably better than many products done by professionals ;-). Instead, done by volunteers implies other mechanisms than the ones used in =E2=80=9Cindustrial food company=E2=80=9D. Second, I think we all agree with: we all have or had to read some documentation and have to make some trial/error loop before being able to run Guix. That's also all my point, IMHO. :-) As you said elsewhere, complex does not mean complicated. Simple is not necessary easy. Etc. Somehow, Rich Hikey says the obvious in their talk [1] and that=E2=80=99s why the talk speaks to many people, I guess. R= ich Hikey makes clear what we already know and had never said explicitly. It is important to remember the message behind, IMHO. >From my point of view, if the Guix community wants to Guix being successful, then we have to work on two directions: 1. Spread the word. 2. Keep easy what should be easy. About #1, it means talks, skill sharing, blog posts, tutorials, documentation, etc. and being pedagogical by showing what Guix is able to offer. About #2, it is where Guix is still a bit weak and we need to work on that part. Although, it is regularly improving. Back to the initial discussion of this thread, which is a tiny stuff in that picture :-) Your answer "it will be documented" focus on #1. That's fine and yes having a good documentation is more than important. My concern is to just say: please do not forget #2. Thanks for the discussion. And thanks for pushing ideas and for pushing how to make them concrete. My final word, the culinary proverb: talk does not cook the rice. :-) I am going to try to cook some rice. ;-) Cheers, simon