From: Munyoki Kilyungi <me@bonfacemunyoki.com>
To: Csepp <raingloom@riseup.net>
Cc: jgart <jgart@dismail.de>, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Guix Without Scheme
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2022 00:02:20 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86r12fpkf7.fsf@bonfacemunyoki.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v8rrn5ie.fsf@riseup.net> (Csepp's message of "Wed, 20 Jul 2022 17:45:51 +0200")
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Hi Csepp!
Csepp <raingloom@riseup.net> anaandika:
> jgart <jgart@dismail.de> writes:
>
>> Hi Guixers,
>>
>> I just wanted to share this presentation that Singpolyma gave titled "Guix Without Scheme":
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/singpolyma-guix-without-scheme
>>
>> Through the course of the presentation, singpolyma demos how to build
>> a Guix package with javascript as well as lua.
>>
>> What do people think of leveraging Guile's compiler tower to write Guix
>> packages in lua, javascript, python, and other languages?
>>
>> nix perhaps? Might be meta fun to write a Guix package in a guile implemented nix frontend.
>>
>> Maybe we should think of Scheme as just one frontend among many to Guile's compiler tower?
>>
>> Is it a future goal for Guix to fully support this unique feature?
>>
>> all best,
>>
>> jgart
>
> I like Lua but this doesn't seem to be a wise use of developer
> resources. Those languages have subtle differences that would surface
> if this idea was pursued further. The most obvious one: Scheme is very
> permissive with what you can name your variables, while all the others
> basically follow C's restrictions. How would you map those names? It
> is not possible to create a bijection between sets of different
> cardinality. And then we haven't gotten into how the module systems are
> different or how record systems aren't even standardized among Schemes.
>
> If you want to experiment with mixing languages, Racket is likely a
> better starting point.
>
Using other languages, if simple enough, would be
a nice way to have developers who fear the parens
dip their toe in GNU Guix using Guile. Nice for
intro workshops/talks - maybe.
That said - and from a very biased view - I think
Scheme is simple enough for anyone, and outside
hobby or exploratory programming, should be
primarily used for GNU Guix hacking. Perhaps,
over time that may change.
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2022-07-20 5:53 Guix Without Scheme jgart
2022-07-20 15:45 ` Csepp
2022-07-20 21:02 ` Munyoki Kilyungi [this message]
2022-07-21 10:23 ` Csepp
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