From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id GHP/KeGywWHfPAEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:56:33 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id yK3DJeGywWGeWgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 10:56:33 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 640B22FA58 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:56:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:49438 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzcoq-0002bj-2X for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 05:56:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzcoF-0002aK-NA for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 05:55:55 -0500 Received: from [2a00:1450:4864:20::42f] (port=44677 helo=mail-wr1-x42f.google.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzcoE-0003so-B6; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 05:55:55 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id t18so26004177wrg.11; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:55:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :mime-version; bh=p/hvlJjkdfaK3MdhZwCNUm6z/5wnSkO5PnEGf48EXrU=; b=W/bLhBuaaGlBpl+b24n+T1PuXDI1oBJdiY/xg3HyuOJU1nYrDaX+s21pGbNDJhzpBg ssUoMLF8mBCbFiq00OV+1cvHF+OLe+j0VHTWabgsY96tcihgjLtim4/noFTqO6DyV3ig xYk7fitEbr19pNilAbO8MYdtCngIK8o0EGjHOLOE+ebxA4xjdOy61G2OIXbYrL8b61um QwFsJkfF5obcf97xfHV8fbWzqbucXbiWWs3n77V2JO7HtQHNqObFpMAiz0UIlGuFVHXj DoAvMLiK4hEmHGxtZu20m0j7XJgK24868oqd6WTOiVCkkS730MR+TAsLtJxxyb0t3pHy 5kkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version; bh=p/hvlJjkdfaK3MdhZwCNUm6z/5wnSkO5PnEGf48EXrU=; b=kB7hpFDTt4rE7+EiSk2VpdPPmz6IOxZP6lsh5VMioCneVxqccU7Eo4pK23WWxltcof tvpxmh60PHJJukTKuiCzOg31lnW8PjcSuc+WPPHtOJKx6NKwC7eF2Vg12MdW8BfcdHk5 5VrnygQnHhcEvIk7NbBkp8Ygxa5KnJ/JgcbQ8hGkmhEiXRAO/O4UBJEcjrAzlz1zIIQ0 HBIh7dWtyjZf7bdnDz0AxhbwPRyvsytbAZ9E+D9KadhZFSR/+s3S5KTza8v9ONhlcOSB liD8fVANMqR7YGxBOkMF4+wWsZWv1s/YBF4Flv1+xS/Sb71XflXsHxtuAD86mIlP2lDh s6Ig== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5321jZbnGC4ugsVemqtTFJQagrHbU7uVoX5AaS+BFP84k85WLP32 Y40OiBwwnrtUMgv1SAlTXGzvVBH5Gk0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxW1LxfRF+JLEy3Vhz3f54DJnYKkNDrvmARIUknq7HHQom9jPZXeHWKHA4Toez+jEXh8RVfgw== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:47c2:: with SMTP id o2mr2136400wrc.416.1640084151687; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i9sm16341628wrb.84.2021.12.21.02.55.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: zimoun To: Jack Hill Subject: Re: extend =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=99guix_archive=E2=80=99=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <874k79zs29.fsf@cbaines.net> <87bl1bdj7b.fsf@gnu.org> <86r1a6sxc6.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:49:17 +0100 Message-ID: <86pmpqqlle.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a00:1450:4864:20::42f (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::42f; envelope-from=zimon.toutoune@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x42f.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1640084193; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=p/hvlJjkdfaK3MdhZwCNUm6z/5wnSkO5PnEGf48EXrU=; b=CpASonz4vwrsBKLs+EZvc7w6KZRb6qe+k5Z5igKQX39qPvueBv56Kt//1AJblzBeWKFpn5 1inNZJef97OKOx+kxCYeDnjfhwlJRwPMLA7NItVARwDoPa87hY9Jcqra45jNQrO5S8D5cN kt0czapP4EviOzuFm0W5NvnSJuAYX+h6sIVa+10OZ87RJA8DPESPV6CDGZ0Vsw409s9wm/ t+WkAI0BJGgVlhKa9giIHX3JfPhdco7minR9BpeTDmkjrBd0G0aeEiDgMB/U3QX1oCXt4t ksj0ehjCboOCej+C0KWfgKnBJsC3E5/dnxGenNsH5BiA4RBe62a0TVh7YS3Cbw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1640084193; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ZGYLk+09+efz4yaTrAo3km5TUbtLI8phyCLOa8E3ByCqoITcBNH6lhMKnjxrmvP8hYT3gl NqXXxBlyUr2u/FLXOekL9xtWpFnG3FBnIaDiYNW+LYlUrWwycTjbVoHRf4rGlosLbB9TN7 lDpDrXT0e2lVGuyIBd51fvCy4+IUHtVH0dnBS0pjrvyOMUWd7snbIkEEjlJy0C58Dc4Qn2 BmNCVZ4CPJPtOL0DflX2Oktmp29iBKumNZsc9A3HeXjr/aSauI1g/SnZlGLKRfbemk1cW0 y+kO8/HZTgdj2MO+j7i26wxyMw68uyVcG+dV/g4mopnlWQjqAdwRZXI6GulOYg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="W/bLhBua"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.73 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="W/bLhBua"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 640B22FA58 X-Spam-Score: -1.73 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: F/29n/7zQDqp Hi, On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 00:50, Jack Hill wrote: > I think it would be great if one of the pastures to which we herd the nars > would be a free and open source software mirror site. In my experience, > these are usually some static web hosting in front of a large disk with a > place to run scripts to sync the content. A database server may not be > available. I'd like to support this use case because I think it is a great > way to build bridges to the communities who run or gather around these > mirrors. Well, from my understanding, it looks like P2P distribution. ;-) > I'd also like the ability fetch nars directly from the local-to-me mirror > rather than having them be proxied through a far way server. Well, from my understanding, it looks like CDN. :-) > One of the things that I really like and find empowering about Guix is > that the developer/system administration tools are as available, easy to > use, and convenient as the every day tooling. To the extent possible, I > think that we should strive to make our syncing/mirroring solution > practical to run for local, small setups, and not require project-scale > infrastructure or coordination between many programs that are not captured > in a Guix service. At some point I agree, but I would like to mitigate. The issue is scaling up. It is not easy and it requires a lot of effort, solve a large range of bugs or design issues, etc. Scaling up comes with a cost. To be concrete, one example: Cuirass migrated from SQLite to PostgreSQL. And at some point, the project should rely on existing bullet-proof solutions for scaling up instead of reinventing the wheel with all what it implies and focus on the project strengths. And bullet-proof solutions able to scale often mean not-so-easy small setups. Well, hard to find the right balance. :-) Cheers, simon