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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1637335871; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=U1dhxF9nsmi17BVU1HvOqJMKxq+cnkHNfEQ56dF4J4E=; b=qOjnava2MatiKj0RP1j+26g+QJVWVUEgMa/iEGQ3+Gv5SaeHxk9sjW9VPoub1lAiaoSw+I H1PstC9yC3/MEjC7QFD4N9IbmhfpcHbqFHEZLHOdRZxWX3NceER9cNew86EUZQfW3uTux8 RuP7AVTeG0XX1UhC4UcQVaAVLwORAIOoqrnrhtL+om8iMVWogRlM8dxbO/A3ig0uLNoctQ o4pVLmCuEVcub8M6uuHUoxP0F+Di5VGQUOZodTPZecONVZGogxrxF0YibaHlTNhxU5/ebS 6R3dlrffJ6CrpDGJoBtHuFVPP0r7IqcmKkaOh6o6UfuFcuVqZDS+eCwTi1b9Gw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1637335871; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=uQrFouF5TD/6d56rlPeTTNkzRimX7KbSHetF5eGiFJQhlwVaChNgu9ZqgoVGAky0EWlLUO r4OPYc1/CPQfGBd8lEHASsGJbjvp/Wr7G/R/1d8uzJuWJvQBgKyXG+wvmjRVed7Oes5BWb wYwd3ZS/hMNW8En2wf07zcAAomHJ4HYFk7TgHJsGz0ye6GWxH18yihK8YSzJ/1Rpm/p967 T1g743i0BU2lzY+/SevCA+cvr8uY8+8lN3eZQr7Ul8RYvqBD3JGX7K5KnRZyQ9b/6cveyM bAawnCgm2sgV4OL6YZynSnaJrY74WZ3NLL5DL3xixMXMPBKn7SZBTzunA4Q9Uw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=fsfe.org header.s=2021100501 header.b=ZwWq5K5G; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fsfe.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.07 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=fsfe.org header.s=2021100501 header.b=ZwWq5K5G; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fsfe.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D2DB4EF3A X-Spam-Score: -6.07 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: qbKjdakKIETR Hey Guix, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Hello Guix! > > As a reminder, the plan I proposed=C2=B9 is to have a =E2=80=9Cflag day= =E2=80=9D shortly > before =E2=80=98core-updates-frozen=E2=80=99 is merged into =E2=80=98mast= er=E2=80=99 when we would run > =E2=80=98guix style=E2=80=99 on the whole repo, thereby removing input la= bels from most > packages. > If everything goes well, this could happen in a few days. > > Thoughts? Slightly OT, but I think we should think about it now rather than after the merge. As with any bulk change, this change will clobber git blame for the forseeable future for a big chunk of the code. When applying this and future bulk changes, could we perhaps list the specific commits (+ commented shortlog line) in a file. To clarify, if we were to store these commits in `.git-blame-ignore-revs', later on we can instruct users to run: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- git config blame.ignoreRevsFile .git-blame-ignore-revs --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- to ignore the bulk change for git blame purposes. It seems like a maintainable way to mitigate some of the (IMO) major disadvantages that we bring in by applying bulk changes. NB, we could still ponder and discuss this approach at a later point in time, but perhaps we want to deal with some of these issues in a different way that cannot be delayed as easily. WDYT? - Jelle