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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1657524739; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=q1qv2NZsrZCMy5s6r2wA/TK1nUUCLx3/VEskEAJ7kc0=; b=HVX+jz/7MsuGtovykl11RuJaGjG/qI7NtvO2yFYvGU8VdAoLPZ6xIwbuGVPJvZz/oFumyU RA1JFnKNEX2aBIm7ffQLu7LWCipJRGU0+3FCEO3aRKCen2+6anBkdkbNyFguyXyqiox4Z9 FvkvjzIBH/w61Jl2ajRVmmhH0uk4JlnPpu2hyYr4NqswjDE6wtyMiVO4PYOzmQkVidlpiQ DOBlDCG3N2kmvDAyCBINIZ9SalDYIgflcen075gzGslUqcNtm+BgkUm8SMBpO1ySfs5zkf pPiSzZfJp1prdCPZu35O7DYZ7c8dXIof3l7zkM8/gTvaMfR839kbZqCMy239vg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1657524739; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=elW/i5xsKLLiIliSnmoixtT8glrSoCwjPWdH2e6jj2bA2IIO73oHDIp/ikpcnTz2aDdROA 8UblE6GtOMTT0O7r1zE0CRFhha3x0bLf7GWlG+FbXIdC4o8QRI51fLZyLxYeC5WCFufjoN 8bkjvHZlcRmL3/tE2hlHuyGfrZHZ7ib6XXBCvhiqmrwV3ENkJG4gvoa+1UZ/RQ1iLKLJjf c7lvSiw17TIBxgGBquu03ePQ976/Il7g8L6LjriGw/P5iczE1CFPk32bSuOswK3Q2J3CcU tzQ/WNkJ2rFpLwUuS7G/guCxT9AzwtjewSz/LU1KTgvfdVYbtXqz6mXuHmvKfg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=SUVfWQDd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.25 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=SUVfWQDd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B9D9F38A9D X-Spam-Score: -4.25 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: x2cGWoBJk+yY On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 at 18:53, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > We don't typically propagate packages, especially not gcc-toolchain.=20 > You should be able to swap that out for any other toolchain, e.g. > another version of gcc-toolchain or perhaps even clang-toolchain. I'm > not sure about libunistring, libgc and pcre. There is a somewhat > similar bug in libgccjit not finding its own object files, which I find > rather silly; search paths definitely need adjusting imho. Well, indeed the convention is to not propagate some packages. For instance, it is similar with Haskell: the installation of GHC =E2=80=9Cguix shell ghc=E2=80=9D is not enough to have a working Haskell environment; it = is also required other packages as gcc-toolchain. As I wrote elsewhere [1], I think Guix should provide ready-to-use =E2=80=9Ccompiler=E2=80=9D toolsuite. Other said, something like =E2=80=9C= bigloo-toolchain=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Chaskell-toolchain=E2=80=9D or etc. First, it eases the usuability; hiding plumbing details. Second, it eases the =E2=80=9Cswap out=E2=80=9D; the application of a transformation a= ppears to me much easier because all is explicit instead of having beforehand an implicit knowledge on the =E2=80=9Ccompiler=E2=80=9D itself. Somehow, it was the rationale behind gcc-toolchain or gfortran-toolchain. Cheers, simon 1: