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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1614851536; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=o+Z6/Dm1CHFhV8wPFsWo/aapGuoeJSFPbKI3pL8MDHc=; b=BeiaxViLzus/3Y9/z0eM8i406vo55iAiBPIrv4sXhSfP5GvY2C/PMjIPk7hIY6PEfwxEMM Omi7SCv7MidkJxp1gQ3jkyV6L5nBU6ZxO4BLBBdmToZT/2avbkdV+XoNE2232+THCf7XJi us89V/CnrWl845JiY+jvl8TCL9SymEsKd9x0NTdE3E0iRIOulFvZJTevuP+o4CBc9rtqHy qWXsQLvot+pReoRcKt0YQFfA7Z0ZeHdGFiQEDEQtgGNh7loAA3oFdWuTT2Jq0eSaVWMrVA 15nO80WKBT+8a+Q7VFicUCPv7LllMzqynpadVK35BY+rHHbXIT0x1I0N3BkjxQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1614851536; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RM5CjXEJzZC7hLyT9GZ1E3q40luEW3efaBvLRWJzQ33bhSmU02UIBwz9XJa1NeVcd6zRcQ Lz+mcpdOXQes7bkTYj3quMqYCEcQ3XdHPwRKkbWmjyjX3pwj0sW+6nLHNp8nyFH4T9UIDy TDUKeOrgg7SGlflk6z46FxjSUEmDqzuDoPqHW5rNEAz0xi1JCwJfrAbQJVIH/VtQuMOC5p +EKwZ4M7YvYGI6NbMqDez5/VluLhBzvmh7ikE34zDwpOerutXr64Mxaa0QQGcgIFbsL1fr 91gWBGhfs/9Br18Swk9IBbufY01YSIQfhwahxRvDzzgUElfD4Awj6+qkUPplmA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=R258wp3v; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.56 Authentication-Results: aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=R258wp3v; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B73D722BFD X-Spam-Score: -0.56 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: bXcnHRcs9E2S Hi Leo, On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 at 13:51, Leo Famulari wrote: > * Fix #46871 (problems with init scripts and guix-install.sh). I think it is (almost) done, see . > * Update tzdata =E2=80=9Cguix refresh tzdata -l=E2=80=9D provides couple of dependants. Is= it reasonable to update it for the next release? > * Ungraft I am not following closely, sorry if I miss something. The =E2=80=99ungraf= ting=E2=80=99 branch had been merged to =E2=80=99staging=E2=80=99 right? And what is the= state of =E2=80=99staging=E2=80=99? >From my point of view, the whole =E2=80=9Cungrafting=E2=80=9D process is un= clear on two sides: 1. how to effectively ungraft a package? i.e., what are the typical steps? and 2. what is the list of packages to ungraft? About the #1, there are some commits, for example a210c0d13752c38a850746fd97948121046a0e58, which could help to understand how to do. But grepping in the Git log with =E2=80=99graft=E2=80=99 return= s only a couple of examples. About the #2, because the feedback loop with ci.guix is slow and because most of the (unnecessary) grafted packages look like more annoyance than really unusuable packages, and for me, because it is not clear where I have to look: master, staging, core-updates or ungrafting, then all in all laziness applies. :-) Personally, I am saying to myself: let investigate tomorrow, and then other stuff happens this very tomorrow, so I never investigate at the end. Well, I propose to first collect a list about packages that =E2=80=9Cwe=E2= =80=9D would like =C2=ABungrafted=C2=BB for the next release. This makes a concrete cri= teria to decide if it releasable or not yet; as =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D do for block= ing bugs. WDYT? Cheers, simon