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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616853925; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=S73tjJjehP21uMX5e+XeinBEPFtivOUkqRqZaQ/0eOw=; b=AIPP0CKGoj8U46ClOs7phPl/ieyVV7VONWxTEJbOAIuSUetZAW3OG0QQf67vwEfRSGxXSB 3NcLv0JXyn51rk7OeYAvLh0biy0Yq7ouPth/i/6Q8snwebRIQfMFaZyfY/y7rOmj4mTxTZ pb/2I4EKFPCHe3kZjgFUdXzDVIBSsYtsdUbpzAqpwkBuvhvA8f/NcZTUq7Oj9wtFnbs4G3 KOmEcK0PqslTfRk26OPbLdvQ+ZGPdvE9lQly2M6CyPqvUQOCxYZxNu++JEvlIuWQZsN86R /JRy+6MHHgPPVzq5oz3je4ZJbopmpZ1W0mFZi23Fo/Zw2O9eoSHGeJVbWmUhDg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616853925; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=GmlP6c0W8K6RiBI/VI8Cw5NuOUjERX5FH+JTx7k8r/FgCbnMDTT1VoRvE3PmALxq9Dr148 H3fgufMy+GdMBOxWWPmJtlgiC/UcewGKEMVBpRi2XCCu/YqURYtHBCztZW2sAVsWLKsqJq pFlir/98lpw+YxByQgUCMQ/5duojyPDnT8YWzDCZMSoamQWVFCnAjwJUrVw3YIb3yx/0RA casSVdax5uHWXBt6VMh63bAmbvzrTlTjKwZkXgioHgU4ZCzU+R7HbMaT1f3wnIEZ2CsKHP LvBdxy1hBgUzY8KncHQxh3MclcKsN5q5jiZwlOtRZst3jydqEgPOXHtEen5lVg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=C6CqeEjA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.62 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=C6CqeEjA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CB2491CD05 X-Spam-Score: -1.62 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: sFf60pHjtPlC On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 at 13:42, L=C3=A9o Le Bouter wrot= e: > On Sat, 2021-03-27 at 13:29 +0100, zimoun wrote: >> And as I said elsewhere, =E2=80=9Cto me, security is important. But it's >> no less important than everything *else* that is also important!=E2=80= =9C, so >> personally I am not convinced that security updates deserve a special >> treatment compared to a regular update. That=E2=80=99s my opinion. :-) > > You can't think this, security updates have prioritized channel of > distribution in every other GNU/Linux distribution, we in GNU Guix > created grafts for it, it's not possible to not ship security updates > promptly, it puts all users at risk. Oh, I am a big boy and I can think whatever I want! :-) Kidding aside. First, what does it mean =C2=ABrisk=C2=BB? How do you evaluate it? Is it a relative evaluation or an absolute one? Second, I am not arguing that security is not important. I am saying that security is important, as important as everything else that is also important. What does it mean =C2=ABimportant=C2=BB? How do you evaluate i= t? Is it a relative evaluation or an absolute one? Third, I am aligned with Leo=E2=80=99s words [1]. And probably with yours too. :-) To me, a better security is not implied by special treatments for security fixes but instead a better treatment for the updates in general. You are proposing a new branch and Chris and I are saying that this branch already exists and is staging. The real question is to know how staging currently behaves: how many time between 2 merges? how many time to rebuild? how many packages are rebuilt between 2 merges? etc. Is it enough? If not, what could be done to improve? etc. 1: Cheers, simon