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From: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
To: "Lars-Dominik Braun" <lars@6xq.net>,
	"Jakub Kądziołka" <kuba@kadziolka.net>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Python] pypy3 integration
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:39:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86imef25qs.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200722064657.GA1350@noor.fritz.box>

Dear Lars,

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 08:46, Lars-Dominik Braun <lars@6xq.net> wrote:

>> pypy3 works somewhat well for me already in this regard:
> indeed, you’re right.

Well, python-package and pypy-package would not be compiled with the
same VM.  So the performances (optimizations) are not necessary the
sames.

For example, it is the same situation with emacs-package “compiled” with
emacs and run with emacs-next.  Even if the bytecode is stable, there is
no guarantee.


> This will probably break for some packages, because python provides
> Python 3.8 whereas pypy3 provides Python 3.6.  (They’ve always lagged
> behind and given that we’re going towards 3.10, well…) One example are
> packages depending on importlib.resources, which only became available
> with Python 3.7. Unfortunately this includes the widely-used pytest (or
> rather: its dependency python-pluggy).
>
> Also Python’s C ABI is not stable[1] and thus extensions compiled for 3.8
> can fail in unpredictable ways with 3.6. And looking at python-numpy,
> it seems they won’t even load.
>
> So, does this justify creating pypy3-* packages?

From my point of view, yes.


All the best,
simon


  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-22 10:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-19  8:27 [Python] pypy3 integration Lars-Dominik Braun
2020-07-20 11:17 ` zimoun
2020-07-20 19:16   ` Lars-Dominik Braun
2020-07-20 19:42 ` Jakub Kądziołka
2020-07-22  6:46   ` Lars-Dominik Braun
2020-07-22 10:39     ` zimoun [this message]
2020-07-27 10:48     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-07-27 19:15       ` zimoun
2020-08-01  8:23         ` Lars-Dominik Braun
2020-07-22 10:34   ` zimoun

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