From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: myglc2@gmail.com Subject: Re: website: say what Guix is at the very top Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 11:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: <86h8r26k4e.fsf@gmail.com> References: <863732wf9z.fsf@gmail.com> <87efmm70re.fsf@elephly.net> <87r2qm3rfv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2qj1d6o.fsf@elephly.net> <87a7x31gm6.fsf@gnu.org> <86372sdxz0.fsf@gmail.com> <87h8r71dp9.fsf@gnu.org> <867es3cgeq.fsf@gmail.com> <87bmhet0hc.fsf@elephly.net> <86zi4xb8tk.fsf@gmail.com> <20180129073718.GA32294@thebird.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58474) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1egviB-0007og-Lo for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 11:58:16 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1egvi8-0008IP-BZ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 11:58:15 -0500 Received: from mail-qt0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::234]:39162) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1egvi8-0008ID-4v for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 11:58:12 -0500 Received: by mail-qt0-x234.google.com with SMTP id f4so22675396qtj.6 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 08:58:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180129073718.GA32294@thebird.nl> (Pjotr Prins's message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:37:18 +0100") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Pjotr Prins Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, sirgazil On 01/29/2018 at 08:37 Pjotr Prins writes: > On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 11:14:15PM -0500, myglc2@gmail.com wrote: >> > I=E2=80=99m not a fan of sales messages and that kind of language >> > (=E2=80=9Cintroducing=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cthe first foo to do bar=E2=80= =9D, etc); I also don=E2=80=99t like that >> > these are all worded negatively, which is something we should avoid. >>=20 >> OK but keep in mind that we have very little time to capture a >> prospective user's attention. You normally do this by saying what is >> unique about a product and what problem it solves. This is my attempt >> at points that might convince a sysadmin and/or user to try >> Guix/GuixSD. We can make it less salesy. But are the points wrong? Is >> something missing? Are there better points to make? > > The case is a bit complicated here. Not only do we present two > products we also have multiple audiences. The current website (in the > true GNU spirit) addresses hackers. That works because Guix was WIP > and needed more of those. The hacker spirit has served us and still > serves us. > > But to popularize Guix we have at least two other audiences. The first > one 'sysadmins' and 'devops' is an important one because we need to > get Guix on systems they control. This proves to be a hard sell in my > experience. Mostly, I think, because sysadmins are not aware of the > benefits - or simply don't want to be aware. No kidding, I have > encountered that a few times.=20 > > Then there are end-users and developers who can use Guix for their > purposes and it would liberate them. > > The net benefit for all is gaining control, reproducibility and > (hopefully) saving time. > > I.e., to have a successful sales pitch you'll need to address 2*3=3D6 > targets. To be explicit, I added a couple target groups and indicated the product we would pitch with an x ... | Target Group | Guix | GuixSD | Motivation = | |-----------------------------+------+--------+----------------------------= ----------| | hacker | x | x | scheme, functional, free = | | sysadmin & devop | x | ? | make user/developer/researc= her happy | | user/developer/researcher | x | | productivity tool = | | generic organizational user | ? | | ? = | | desktop distro user | | ? | ? = | |-----------------------------+------+--------+----------------------------= ----------| Note: "?" - not sure WDYT? - George