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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1634665926; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Sfy/tUpxa0abPeit/SQHRy9olchzfFM1ftWAOAicXMQ=; b=ZxYGkRzkit4htdJ0bslPngzDq5UaOcYN4XeX2lmoDTQvScefS/BxqMen0wZWv84xppKgFp IuJQZxmOZXTpK75syEJqdOW49EoyqBhvlkyy/o5NTvdFwYc2HC6jKQpxKEWyU8dMhyZpXE Zq5kfipBqQ4zxxShj0MFUzLEnvm+FlviwBjvz7uo+zFit81a2dbdTOsTrgQ2cSnO6BMGNs zeNLr5prhnOyybncFTNtW9bp5DmDPk68HFz+Zn24T5GLWYoJ7iJkmhMgdNztWg2sHrVat+ +qClURy5PZvJceJp6F6rwmhI7h7yhGmIEzx8L+nOrA0XuNgOs/EcQKyA68buYg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1634665926; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TUk6kXKozTUvDe6GBCnd9qpgkSyOnKgTla+qV+XzzC9WctV+C1zssJU9zzNTUcgIzcyc4T tj8tqCOtTY0sbLCH7PSi/YBIrdx26yaLGTI45XaNwVgBVBnAyt5RU1+WxlI300l31kKCAL 1HByFes1eJa+1YpidwYrspqkpITQknXOMv0etXMlPlKiLifxk0aqLBuxM0UxNkOQ56uNJE gcQAHOPK7JNyMH83lFybk9qXCCrtq/ntfXGgs1OSPSkjCwlv739LEjr2mZUx09OmynyRa0 60Gb1rfM2tb7ywgX53/GAspaXEb1gDgfsWf89KZKE6Mu03CJ70d+p/yiIg6PuQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=TGlLu0sa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=TGlLu0sa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: F06F39310 X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: mIEoUOHoRRBI On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 17:41, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > I would like to see us committers do more review work. But I also view > things from a different angle: everyone contributes in their own way, > and each contribution is a gift. We can insist on community > expectations (reviewing other people=E2=80=99s work), but we should also = welcome > contributions as they come. I am aligned with these words: =C2=ABeveryone contributes in their own way, and each contribution is a gift=C2=BB. I truly agree. > There=E2=80=99s a balance to be found between no formal commitment on beh= alf of > committers, and a strict and codified commitment similar to what is > required for participation in the distros list=C2=B9. I do not know (yet?) if I agree on that. I would just say that many more potential contributors are floating around. We are already selecting a small part of them using the email workflow (using another workflow would select another part; who knows what is best ;-)). Then, the question is how to keep them? Obviously, I do not have the answer. :-) And sadly, I do not have number for backing an intuition. >From my experience when digging into the bug tracker, I see many submissions without an answer and people who seem to have given up. Sadly, it is impossible to know why. > A good middle ground may be to provide incentives for review. How? I=E2= =80=99m > not sure exactly, but first by making it clear that review is makes the > project move forward and is invaluable. You once proposed having > =E2=80=98Reviewed-By=E2=80=99 tags to acknowledge non-committer reviews, = and I think > that would be one step in that direction. Perhaps there are other > things we could do? Yeah, I think that non-committer doing review deserve rewards. :-) For instance, the Linux project uses a lot of various tags [2]. The Guix project could borrow some. ;-) For instance, the Guix project uses Reported-by for bugs, somehow. One can imagine a Reviewed-by or Tested-by. 2: >>> I think it=E2=80=99s about finding the right balance to be reasonably e= fficient >>> while not compromising on quality. >> >> I totally agree. And I do not see nor understand where is the >> inefficiency here when asking to go via guix-patches and wait two weeks >> for adding a new package. > > It=E2=80=99s not about urgency but rather about not contributing to the g= rowth > of our patch backlog, which is a real problem. Thus, why wait two weeks before pushing is an issue? Cheers, simon