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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.40 X-Spam-Score: -9.40 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7178D63744 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: FsbuUiA58Qol On Thu, Mar 21, 2024, at 11:11 AM, MSavoritias wrote: > On 3/21/24 17:08, Giovanni Biscuolo wrote: >> [=E2=80=A6] >> I don't understand how using petnames, uuids or even a re:claimID >> identity (see below) could solve the problem with "rewriting history"= in >> case a person wishes to change his or her previous _published_ name >> (petname, uuid...) in an archived content-addressable storage system. > > It doesnt solve the problem of rewriting history. It solves the bug of=20 > having names part of the git history. > > see also https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/20960 for Gitla= b=20 > doing the same thing. > Unless I=E2=80=99m missing something, the linked Gitlab issue seems to b= e a proposal by someone in February 2018 that Gitlab adopt some system o= f using UUIDs instead of author information. There was fairly limited di= scussion, with the last comment in May 2018. There does not seem to have= been a consensus supporting the proposal, and I=E2=80=99m not seeing an= y indication that Gitlab plans to implement the proposal. Furthermore, the author and committer metadata are not the only places w= here people=E2=80=99s names appear in Guix. For example, I know some fon= t packages that mention the name of the font designer in the package=E2=80= =99s description. More broadly, Guix also refers to package sources by t= heir content hashes: most sources probably contain some people=E2=80=99s= names, and any of these could face the same problems as names directly = included in the Guix Git repository. I strongly believe in the importance of protecting trans people from har= assment. I don=E2=80=99t know how to solve the tension with long-term bi= t-for-bit reproducibility.=20 Philip