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Tue, 07 Mar 2023 05:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s4-20020adff804000000b002c705058773sm13169124wrp.74.2023.03.07.05.47.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 07 Mar 2023 05:47:52 -0800 (PST) From: Simon Tournier To: Andreas Enge , =?utf-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= Cc: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= , Christopher Baines , guix-devel@gnu.org, 61894@debbugs.gnu.org, guix-maintainers@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#61894: [PATCH RFC] Team approval for patches In-Reply-To: References: <878rgga1qv.fsf@inria.fr> <871qm8wf8e.fsf@cbaines.net> <87r0u86qgo.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87y1o9mina.fsf_-_@envs.net> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2023 13:22:05 +0100 Message-ID: <861qm0da4y.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::430; envelope-from=zimon.toutoune@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x430.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A39683675F X-Spam-Score: -10.74 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -10.74 List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-TUID: Fl1dxhSb+w4w Hi, On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 at 11:36, Andreas Enge wrote: > 1) Every current and potential new package is covered by a team. > 2) Every team has at least 3 members, better yet 4 or 5. > 3 members would make it possible that even if one of them is on vacati= on > or otherwise busy a patch could be pushed without this additional one > week if the other 2 agree. It would help if being committer implies appearing at least in one team, no? Currently in etc/teams.scm.in, I count 26 members and 20 are committers over the 48 ones. No blame. :-) Somehow, we have a bootstrap problem =E2=80=93 bootstrap is everywhere. ;-) >From my understanding, Ludo=E2=80=99s proposal is about some structure of h= ow =E2=80=9Cteams=E2=80=9C would work and that structure would help in constit= uting =E2=80=9Cteams=E2=80=9D. One way for bootstrapping. >From my understanding, the other approach somehow proposed between the lines in this thread would be to first constitute =E2=80=9Cteams=E2=80=9D a= nd then document how they work. The other way for bootstrapping. While I am not convinced by Ludo=E2=80=99s patch, I think the approach to document first how we would like the =E2=80=9Cteams=E2=80=9D would work is = better for bootstrapping them. Cheers, simon