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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1684609836; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TdyIxU/kKkCwAnxbQ9Iey7ZXO2K25Aog4TGO8+XQTzR5FpMb04KD1+751Xo9h2YlStHUSv AJeRue/Ej0mW76gYDOTnFER3yyQ3+gOSxk8AzAAkcUeGwlQc3nrAUjUrAPKK7kXmAY1wPf hcAZK3tFvM3tM3qfjx+J3mcotnBSdlfu+1z+NxD3JbGdPw4Eu0O+0RqaSJAtf8K+OSKapU 9RpR8K9FFGDOpvxQW59ZYR9iqrHDpZBaRY5gkSRaMPIW4zUNZ3X/4FYPoG74BtGf3l3Hze 1kCGHABWcpUNyCxYuGK/DG/iuQwMl8IxFz3V1sQ2eqg8675+NpWTaCPl+fTWVw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=ZYlsTz+F; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1684609836; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=n5A+pGuXdhfFEUnypIXC73jqCHPJ1E1zJ/TJHKizib4=; b=Tfpow2fkznF9hJjnkbUPzuLiZXGhaRwXHwyML03SWwj990miDenl4Gw4AhoEu3I8rd8rL5 czlsN8gHZ2tMSkAkpyVT5G2gNyNy6HrE+c3tH2uUzl/z/Mt2mUL73wd5O5TMoXIy+HU1ZW vVGJbD8PZNXs+O3PjxdFUk5fjXxsmtcqCmt8vaHUQR0MkZfiq0MoAF6sH2xA9amtRLBCOJ 9H/68Avgd0zAF2W23XlqBVXT6QvaIln570gLiGueR0in7lQohcdFtNOvkUthokcjxffUqk Rd7STPRDoFfVEWEZRKU4iJXCjqZ7oKrIW3KdYU6ZAFOQdcHgVbq8ToByNY5ufg== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.82 X-Spam-Score: -6.82 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BE05E30E18 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=ZYlsTz+F; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-TUID: JxnfqlvWS7zJ On 2023-05-19 19:17, Andrea Rossi wrote: > Hello everyone, > Here are some thoughts after the search and subsequent appointment of a > developer to work in a GNU-oriented workplace. > > > On 28/02/23 14:50, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: >> Hi Andrea [on-list], >> >> So, good news. >> >> A majority of maintainers has awoken, and all agree that job searches are welcome on guix-devel@ as long as they: >> >>  1. are related to Guix, obviously not an issue here; >>  2. do not promote non-free software. >> >> Promotion would include applicants being ‘encouraged’ or required to produce non-free software to get (or increase their chances of getting) the job. >> >> Certainly not the vibe I got from your company, so if you/Gio' can vouch for that, feel welcome to share your post! >> >> Best of luck, >> >> T G-R > I absolutely agree with the above decision anyway. Those two requirements are entirely sound. Good to see people posting job adverts for Guix. Loving it. ~vidak > > 1) TOOLS AND MINDSET GO HAND IN HAND > > People who adhere to the Unix philosophy [0] (to name one of the pillars > of our approach) are more likely to use tools that are consistent with > it. At the same time, people who prefer different approaches tend to use > different tools. > Track record is important in the selection of candidates, but their fit > with the culture of the workplace is also important and in the long run > a major success factor. > > > > 2) MINDSET AND VALUES ALSO GO HAND IN HAND > > Although this is a statement based on anecdotal experience rather than > statistical evidence, we believe that mindset is related to values. More > specifically, we believe that the technical mindset we value most is > related to the hacker ethic. > > > > 3) A COMMON SET OF VALUES COULD FORM THE BASIS OF A "GNU WAY OF DOING > BUSINESS" > > In the spirit of reproducibility, we are trying to express every aspect > of the business in code form: from accounting to project management to > contracts, we are migrating everything into a text format that can be > managed with a version control system. > > We do this because we see reproducibility as both an obligation and an > opportunity: > > - An obligation to our stakeholders, who must be able to rely on the > reproducibility not only of the software we deliver, but of the entire > context in which that software can be run, maintained and used. > > - And an opportunity for us, because it allows us to scale the > organisation at the only cost of bringing new people on board (hackers > are welcome - as stated in point 2). > > > > 4) DIVERSITY AND OPENNESS PREVENT FANATICISM > > The above is nothing new: in addition to the many open source companies > scattered around the world, there are also a handful of theoretical > contributions (the Wikipedia article 'Commons-based peer production' [1] > is a good starting point to delve into the topic). > > The problem is that all of this is struggling to break the glass ceiling > beyond which mainstream business dominates our lives and conditions our > future. Until the "GNU way of doing business" contaminates a critical > mass of corporations, government agencies, and non-profits, we will have > to contend with being weird when we are probably just pioneers. > Contamination is the key word, and while we are aware that contamination > is often mutual, we will have to face the market to make a difference. > > Regards, > Andrea > > > [0] Which, by the way, should be kept up to date. Should we perhaps call > it "re(GNU)wed Unix philosophy, or just "GNU philosophy? > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons-based_peer_production