From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?UTF-8?B?RnJhbnRpxaFlayBLdcSNZXJh?= Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 12:48:21 +0200 Message-ID: <7ae26c18-e566-4044-6b5e-f2fcb80b6c8c@frantovo.cz> References: <10b9ef2f-981d-c4cd-0144-c351ee311ed8@frantovo.cz> <874l0k8c9f.fsf@gnu.org> <20191010034525.GO20430@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45094) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iIW03-0006ni-5Q for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 06:48:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iIW00-0002N7-DI for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 06:48:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20191010034525.GO20430@protected.rcdrun.com> Content-Language: en-US List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel@gnu.org, backtotheaugust@lists.globalcode.info Dne 10. 10. 19 v 5:45 Jean Louis napsal(a): > * Ludovic Court=C3=A8s [2019-10-07 17:41]: >> Hi Franti=C5=A1ek, and welcome, >> >> (I=E2=80=99m willing to answer questions like I wrote, but if we are t= o have a >> more in-depth conversation, I think we should not abuse guix-devel for >> that.) > Now is too late, you are the one who abused Guix, and you should step > down and resign from Guix. You are the one who is bringing hatred and > separation in community. I basically agree with you, but I do not like the =E2=80=9ECall-out cultu= re=E2=80=9C (or =E2=80=9Ecancel culture=E2=80=9C). People do mistakes, it is natural, nobody is perfect and nobody is liked by all other people. It is much better to fix the mistakes we do rather than remove people. In this particular case, the fix is quite simple: remove that proclamation from the official Guix blog. You will never find a 100% agreement with another person in all opinions. But it's important to have a consensus in the area you want to work with. I probably[1] have different opinion on abortions than RMS but it is totally irrelevant. I want to cooperate with him (and others) in the field of free software =E2=80=93 thus the opinions on free softwar= e is what really matters =E2=80=93 such opinions are relevant (not opinions ab= out sex, politics, religion etc.). We should not escalate these conflicts because it causes damages to all of us. We should calm down and think what our common goals are. For me, it is the free software defined by the four essential freedoms. **And until we can share the code under a free software license and make the world better through creating such free software and providing it to the public, I will call that cooperation successful.** Regardless we might have different opinions on other topics. As I stated in my blog post : People are different and have various opinions on various topics. But the pure free software ideas are a common interest which leads people from different groups and with different backgrounds to cooperation and shows them the way how to talk each other and eventually build a friendly and respectful community. It is much better than if people from different groups stay in their own bunkers and just bark at each other. Franta [1] honestly, I have not studied his arguments in depth; I am not interested in such discussion; and it would be probably also local-specific (I do not live in the USA)