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To: Simon Tournier , guix-devel Cc: Vagrant Cascadian Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gnu.guix.devel References: <871qfsuvad.fsf@gmail.com> <8e74c4ac-a6f3-9127-7e13-593a2eb70432@gmail.com> <87a5ubqxm6.fsf@gmail.com> <861qfcvhw2.fsf@gmail.com> <3214a171-dcd5-335c-6339-df5dd0f5bfc6@gmail.com> <86il8op43w.fsf@gmail.com> <86v8cnodbd.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <86v8cnodbd.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33; envelope-from=cox.katherine.e@gmail.com; helo=mail-io1-xd33.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.473, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1F21945CAF X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.59 X-Spam-Score: -5.59 X-TUID: U4opTep3pteh On 9/6/23 3:34 AM, Simon Tournier wrote: > Well, from my point of view, the next steps are: > > + Propose a survey (questions), open a new thread (or a bug report) for > iterating. I'll open a bug report and start logging notes/suggestions against it. In it, I'll include your points: > + Review how to distribute the survey > + Prepare the skeleton for generating a report about the stats from the > survey. > > Maybe the person or group of people in charge of this survey could be in > touch with Emacs folks. They did a survey on 2022 [1]. > > 1: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-10/msg01824.html I'll start reaching out to people, specifically people who have done surveys for projects similar to Guix. I'm not an expert in how to design surveys, and I assume there are some out there who could help us design one to do things like avoid skewed data (e.g. your point about how the survey is distributed), and not frame questions in a way that elicits a certain response. > A survey and the associated report will act similarly: list what we more > or less already know, and then make easier the path for improving. Agreed! I think the trend-analysis of survey responses over time will be most interesting.