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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1654162651; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=+IWCqmTCg7rMMFN+urszseOHLEE55BDNCjcygsXRJYY=; b=VLGMkorP3hQqEZCMumB437MVzGCxfe4gZRlwBnkFL5gZSsFr7wCCUCt+hcFyOf79RBB1rL 3MB8d6AJXqUJ0eBhFr7Spl0hbZwsO4wvlLObAbqrnxT3Xbm0GJv02xrAGEejc+BDumgFez jmlM/YrpJQkJjy8ttU5rncBd8OGC7aWGWVT/KaM4Sdp/m6KRMbc1MlUCMlPqmkZapMroI0 Rs9shs7hRiOdC0VrCWZOBDT01Xs1RfHlk2XR36vc70f5+3j24X1wtSgim1+bylsnAfY+oR OpaKFJ9FsFQPFSlL9DE9ieMQMwfvdyoWuACavTLtSeQlDnA5iqlFG0pX+GYb7g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1654162651; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RFi0dKEQLW2RjtjNbd8p+K1ZM5kOJvTN91G6iQvp+XZrQpITRrp0SDudnpew3XoLatLuQ4 0ml9Zt/KqlSxWqIgXLQZFKD3deOPkEkGRI+CZxkogLPEVmn6WPmoBY4GwL+qCWLDkrMnxH C0/N/D+NWgzaiszbDI3P/d8WBfycdCnHxpGZlDhLu5W5qeHMxxUJtRL1MumAO0EJ9GrO9p 8ewsUDdvzuRcA/eXu+lOKywd+M+DjSTOu+NJyaJO3XHu3fcyKx1tP93p56fSunItE3Loub MJlR8svLRhEn7H2xaRBgJo1IYPU+AKBZ9KQTR3LqRYRyquz73rbPUEP+ljsVOQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=F9N01atn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.93 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=F9N01atn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7A11316F80 X-Spam-Score: -9.93 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 5nC7bCZl7Q2+ --=-UkdXq27k3vALfUF5m6I6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable zimoun schreef op do 02-06-2022 om 09:25 [+0200]: > On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 at 22:30, Maxime Devos wrote= : >=20 > > > (from [0]) > > > Sunsetting Python 2 > > > [...] > > > We did not want to hurt the people using Python 2. So, in 2008, we > > > announced that we would sunset Python 2 in 2015, > >=20 > > This is a 5 year grace period, which is already a lot of weeks. > > Futhermore, this has even been extended for five additional years: >=20 > Following this argument, the question is therefore: why Python 2 > packages had been included in Guix in the first place since most > inclusions had already been post this grace period? :-) I didn't know that. I guess we should have said back then =E2=80=98no addi= ng new python2 packages because of the grace period, only updates=E2=80=99 and announced and documented the policy? (assuming this argument) > I personally do not follow all the upstream code that I run. I trust > the distro for that. I guess most people follow distro news for most > of the things they basically run and install from their disto. [...] > By doing sudden transition, we appear abrupt as a distro and the > message between the lines is =C2=ABGuix is not reliable as a distro=C2=BB= . All > such big transition is difficult whatever the distro [1,2,3]. The > aim of a distro is to smooth user transition, IMHO, which means > communicate explicitly for preparing. I agree that it is a sudden transition for a user that does not follow upstream news and that it only is a smooth transition for people in the know. It's a bit a matter of perspective I guess? Agreed with more explicit communication. And maybe Guix could have done more, e.g. by helping upstream with porting to python3. Greetings, Maxime. --=-UkdXq27k3vALfUF5m6I6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iI0EABYKADUWIQTB8z7iDFKP233XAR9J4+4iGRcl7gUCYpiEnRccbWF4aW1lZGV2 b3NAdGVsZW5ldC5iZQAKCRBJ4+4iGRcl7ikTAQCc6Cz7lChUv2Ooa7FkYWfoeBDm FPQ+c6rFG5w6CJuQeAEAokrndc7kyaOgA1J+mNSjnTpcs4qongoUvY99EeYuyAo= =jTr8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-UkdXq27k3vALfUF5m6I6--