About "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" when trying to respond to debbugs issues

About "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" when trying to respond to debbugs issues

[Zelphir Kaltstahl]

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Hello Guix developers!

I am not sure I am sending this to the right people, so I am sorry, if you are 
not the ones I should be sending this to. Here it goes:

I tried responding to https://issues.guix.gnu.org/70211, by sending an e-mail to 
the 70211@debbugs.gnu.org 
<mailto:70211@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=emacs-eglot%20fails%20after%20upgrade%20to%20emacs-29.3> 
address, as is stated on that page. However, whenever I send a reply to a 
debbugs address (this also happened in the past), I get a message back, that my 
e-mail was not delivered and something about TLS.

Here is what I think might be the reason and I am asking you, whether I 
understand the issue correctly:

I am guessing that debbugs does not support TLS and that I have somewhere 
configured to always send via TLS and then posteo tells me, that the target mail 
server does not support it.

Correct?

Or is it the Posteo server that demands TLS and debbugs does not offer it?

Perhaps others have this issue as well and are unable to participate?

Best regards,
Zelphir


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Subject: 	Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Date: 	Tue, 19 Nov 2024 02:16:01 +0100 (CET)
From: 	Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@mout01.posteo.de>
To: 	zelphirkaltstahl@posteo.de



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<70211@debbugs.gnu.org>: TLS is required, but was not offered by host
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Re: About "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" when trying to respond to debbugs issues

[Tobias Geerinckx-Rice]

Hi Zephir,

On 19 November 2024 11:27:51 UTC, Zelphir Kaltstahl <zelphirkaltstahl@posteo.de> wrote:
>I am guessing that debbugs does not support TLS

Somewhat to my surprise, this is indeed the case!

GNU Debbugs uses/is its own MX without STARTTLS support.  Other gnu.org {,sub}domains such as this list use eggs.gnu.org, which supports TLS just fine.

We (Guix) aren't responsible for any of the debbugs infra so it's not something we can change directly.  One could try asking <owner at debbugs dot gnu dot org> or, if that fails, <sysadmin at gnu dot org>.

> and that I have somewhere configured to always send via TLS and then posteo tells me, that the target mail server does not support it.
>
>Correct?
>
>Or is it the Posteo server that demands TLS and debbugs does not offer it?

Well, both really.  You've asked (or defaulted) Posteo to deliver only over TLS.  See <https://posteo.de/en/help/activating-tls-sending-guarantee>.

I've never myself used Posteo, so I hope that's the cause.


Kind regards,

T G-R

Sent on the go.  Excuse or enjoy my brevity.