From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id YPvzGfOIMGJmkgAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 13:39:15 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id EK6eFvOIMGILbAEAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 13:39:15 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BD722773E for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 13:39:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:34802 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nU6SI-0005lU-2i for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 08:39:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55224) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nU6Lp-00024D-78 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 08:32:38 -0400 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com ([66.39.4.99]:34708) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nU6Ll-0003s9-9P; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 08:32:31 -0400 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904AD71E80B; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (w135107.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [121.1.135.107]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31190745852; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Yasuaki Kudo Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Building a software toolchain that works Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 21:32:23 +0900 Message-Id: <7847F63F-6777-4B9C-AD1B-D8EC0333DCBA@yasuaki.com> References: <87ilsfoc8q.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <87ilsfoc8q.fsf@gnu.org> To: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19D52) Received-SPF: none client-ip=66.39.4.99; envelope-from=yasu@yasuaki.com; helo=mail1.g12.pair.com X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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Do you think Guix(HPC - i don't know what specializations go there =F0=9F=98= =85) can be the prime tool for the job? -Yasu > On Mar 15, 2022, at 17:25, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFHi! >=20 > Olivier Dion via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System > distribution." skribis: >=20 >> On another note, what I find fascinating is why Guix and Nix are not >> more used in academic papers. A quick search on the Compendex database >> gives me only a handful of papers referencing Guix, mostly all from >> Ludovic. I simply can't understand this. You have a way to factor out >> the toolchain from the equation of your research's resuls -- making it >> trivial to reproduce -- and yet every papers that I read is using some >> Ubuntu LTS or Fedora as their build and testing environment. >=20 > This is what we=E2=80=99re pushing as part of the Guix-HPC effort=C2=B9. R= icardo=E2=80=99s > research team, for instance, has published bioinfo papers that build on > Guix for reproducibility. Colleagues of mine in HPC (linear algebra and > run-time systems) are also starting to do this. >=20 > That=E2=80=99s still very much niche, but there=E2=80=99s growing awarenes= s of how tools > like Guix can help build reproducible research workflows. The next thing > for us is to provide tools and documents to make it more approachable. >=20 > Ludo=E2=80=99. >=20 > =C2=B9 https://hpc.guix.info >=20