From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id +HrgEHsOSmI/fgAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 03 Apr 2022 23:15:39 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id uM16CXsOSmLE6wAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 03 Apr 2022 23:15:39 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5B713B311 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2022 23:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:48504 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nb7ZR-0003Vs-DC for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 03 Apr 2022 17:15:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nb7YL-0003Vj-IM for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Apr 2022 17:14:29 -0400 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com ([66.39.4.99]:42603) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nb7YK-0001FD-12 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Apr 2022 17:14:29 -0400 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D1771E532; Sun, 3 Apr 2022 17:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (pw126182221215.27.panda-world.ne.jp [126.182.221.215]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A23FF745704; Sun, 3 Apr 2022 17:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Yasuaki Kudo Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Video Conference Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 06:14:15 +0900 Message-Id: <73A2785E-C89B-41A5-B656-C71C548C6D04@yasuaki.com> References: <59d6e5f9227d9c9d9a455e62215d8382@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <59d6e5f9227d9c9d9a455e62215d8382@dismail.de> To: jbranso@dismail.de X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19D52) Received-SPF: none client-ip=66.39.4.99; envelope-from=yasu@yasuaki.com; helo=mail1.g12.pair.com X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1649020538; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=lImpTV/rEOQFyPnh7Awxl8lZ5dw7kx573z+xO4wY4/o=; b=PPVXG2f27i5Y7HnUMkadP6fOs05bxaU02V8N1RkNh6+i9XW8mtfi3F6NyChOlAyikhq8fF lgSbure/vU+dWKvzCXakwHh7xpyFTKiPC3Fbb7kw0hOobuaKq4oR+0N4vrOfBvG6ogZGUW xSUadJpknPpa+BZI8xGlqhSFPVev1Huv7L/gE16tmm8rkOL+CMswQaAp+DZAoHM525NdHf UglfT9k0b85igdukTtwSoE+9isea3YY9mMpDXOzOt90p/YmOii7bPJCK3PFEEMXsrlzYpK YP+2SLL+xbwqfEm7lXRmyXROvnKV7pUVNxVQS/6bU9621kXjIW4bqN7/4lECEw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1649020538; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=WJHZIc6OVX+cg5TToQFaTZflZZHhjo2c3TjWjll/i9q20xSiKg5OxxKTcMjXDOxsd5tN3f crXf+GllCil/oLPnkuctlZMNVYVvO4f0A6yOmie1HSnzLv3M+zop4P9nd8QAJmEBUzXDmT ucEfCZ3figYUU4bNUQuHZ4snEnAPNBH9Pe/EuMlqaB7RU9lcxzzVKKvIhimbKuxqsQ036L BWEHfjI8Tix9L9kDSKH+t921IzMw8q5oSwndYFai7zVIuORF5bUdnbh7xn5Wx5KaQsDKw9 5/Da4/d0MNhEEY4ZFjkB/Gp0A8n/w8wj486nJ5Et7exm564DgFCrZ9zG4C5auA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.78 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A5B713B311 X-Spam-Score: -2.78 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: mjbxT6g0s4zG Well I thought it would be easier to build it natively on Guix from "scratch= ". For example, the BBB programs looked almost impossible to disassemble to com= ponents - at least it looked like it would be even harder than doing it all o= ver again. But the question of what the "scratch" means... it seems there are a few co= mponents - WebRTC, audio codec, video codec, etc. And there are questions over whether to really mix the signals on server (fo= r audio) or just bundling all separate lines of communications (for video), e= tc I would like to taken advantage of Guix to try different mixes and experimen= t =F0=9F=98=84=20 > On Apr 3, 2022, at 03:34, jbranso@dismail.de wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFApril 2, 2022 12:26 AM, "Yasuaki Kudo" wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> 2 years ago, I joined meet.coop , a video conference service cooperative a= nd explored the business >> potential in Japan. >>=20 >> The coop hosted BBB but the gap I discovered was that the potential custo= mers in Japan would not be >> interested unless the service is customized to their exact needs - otherw= ise they preferred Zoom >> and Google meet. >>=20 >> So ability to to take the video conference service into minimalist compon= ents and then reassembling >> is very important =F0=9F=98=84 >>=20 >=20 > Sounds like a worthwhile project. You can always reach out to the BBB or j= itsi developers > and see what they think of your proposal. >=20 >> -Yasu >>=20 >>>> On Apr 2, 2022, at 03:59, jbranso@dismail.de wrote: >>>=20 >>> March 31, 2022 7:53 PM, "Yasuaki Kudo" wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hello, >>>>=20 >>>> =46rom time to time, I think about audio/video mixer (.i.e. video confe= rence software like BBB or >>>> Jitsi) , with the intension of making it highly modular that it can be f= reely remixed and >>>> reinvented by volunteer participants. >>>>=20 >>>> Is anyone interested? Or is can you think about something that already e= xists? >>>=20 >>> Your proposal sounds a little vague. What are you hoping to accomplish t= hat BBB or Jitsi >>> does not already do? >>>=20 >>>> Cheers, >>>> Yasu