From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id YEPKHlnW8WHDuAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:16:41 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id CMUqHFnW8WEi8gAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:16:41 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23983C8D8 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:16:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:51690 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nCrWp-0002mk-US for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 18:16:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35376) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nCrWN-0002mM-IM for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 18:16:11 -0500 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com ([66.39.4.99]:24464) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nCrWH-0006DX-Fx for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 18:16:11 -0500 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3584171E52B; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 18:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (pw126035194040.25.panda-world.ne.jp [126.35.194.40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC622745705; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 18:15:12 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Yasuaki Kudo Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: The way to promote GUIX package manager Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 08:15:09 +0900 Message-Id: <72258E97-1860-40FD-B58B-54B735A1C695@yasuaki.com> References: <87r18ui09s.fsf@elephly.net> In-Reply-To: <87r18ui09s.fsf@elephly.net> To: Ricardo Wurmus X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19D50) Received-SPF: none client-ip=66.39.4.99; envelope-from=yasu@yasuaki.com; helo=mail1.g12.pair.com X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?S=C5=82awomir_Lach?= Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1643239001; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=7jbIafKYWP2YvRKfzLZR4+SKiVAkgaoQHaQz00C76xw=; b=qetDvSLz+Q54IIaeIo2b0F0rsPA9eXindBDim2Ro3TzWSOdIP9LhFf1uYffGLXmmSsKCY9 aa82sY8+OBtAcef9EFxndFHiTvQfdAfLvPd/SwtlrnTqvhBuObADV+AVTuGywALtWk8L8K hGblLmuutPYzgW0uVWKnaQygl7Yxv48oFgofoogySlefaz8OA8SDtDX/JJ+CGVKKn8hDx9 v5TQW18qxOVkZyFW4C1dnJOG5aeP/UzpBKaz8fb7aslYU0HwNrpKIXfu8ah6V6liUblvbp iDW13IivA0CvEhhIvvsyJu/7DdGSexCLaYO9EGdu7+KK4nwoZhFJ+ghKLKbvZA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1643239001; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=kqKHeSbysnW68IiQEj26AZrao+c60ugHMB+3zTadwIKw6OUkHBLkWVWnWIz/p6EW0oNcnk cANVS2/iD9kWVjvq9hwUQ5eVepU4Qd8gfSj8RGU1wYsz92lA8Ozik5b5EuEkagdRWnt0RP 2kNzDRFOde0M+3sEAoEnuFAvRDbE9O/FC+wTk8XnneNdRE0JR1h46ZWaLybKLQoq/SJ3UY NGhxP6iqktXqLqgsXnQ/Yjm3DOk3ashACXRd+tj2CppuDzn3K2PwSuB++TDoRX+dKNKXtn lVPj38HJEP+A8aoE5QLDr3oIcNbVY0gtZGlXGvt13WbbwxpM0Edm77H17BcygA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.73 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 23983C8D8 X-Spam-Score: -2.73 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: nV2T2IzSImNZ Well I have to tell you I am not too familiar with either Debian or Guix=F0=9F= =98=85 So with that disclaimer: - If I remember correctly, Guix in Debian just doesn't work straight away af= ter apt-get install, meaning enabling of certain Guix services also required= ? - He needs to have everything that Guix needs "virtualized", including the f= older /gnu straight under root, (under some /home/xyzuser/blah/ directory I p= resume). He does not care about Guix-as-container - he needs Guix-to-be-co= ntained. Again, I don't know much, Im' just a casual Guix OS user (and I love it =F0=9F= =98=84) but does it make sense? -Yasu > On Jan 27, 2022, at 07:46, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Yasuaki Kudo writes: >=20 >> Does Guix really run out of the box in Debian? >>=20 >> I have never tried it but my friend Debian expert friend keeps telling me= that: >>=20 >> * Just apt-get installing Guix doesn't work >=20 > How does =E2=80=9Capt install guix=E2=80=9D not work? There=E2=80=99s an o= lder version of Guix > in Debian. After installing it =E2=80=9Cguix pull=E2=80=9D should get the= latest > version and it all works. >=20 > There=E2=80=99s also an installer script at https://guix.gnu.org/install.s= h > which skips the detour through apt and gets you the latest release > directly. >=20 >> * and his really big complaint is evidently he creates "virtual >> environments" (short of full-on VMware, I imagine it is an assortment >> of Linux native tricks that are wrapped by tools like Docker) for >> every OS he tries but >> * Evidently the same tricks don't work with Guix >=20 > Is this not *exactly* what =E2=80=9Cguix shell=E2=80=9D (formerly =E2=80=9C= guix enviromnent=E2=80=9D) > does? =E2=80=9Cguix shell -C=E2=80=9D enters a container, even, using the= same Linux > namespace mechanism that Docker wraps. >=20 >> * He does not want to try full blown Guix OS without first testing it in a= bove ways >=20 > Guix can comfortably be used outside of Guix System. And you can > *still* use most =E2=80=9Cguix system=E2=80=9D commands, e.g. to build con= tainers or > virtual machines. >=20 > --=20 > Ricardo