On January 23, 2021, Lars-Dominik Braun <lars@6xq.net> wrote:

> [...] Remove pip and

> setuptools from python (saves almost 20MiB from the closure and avoids

> weird conflicts between python’s setuptools and python-setuptools) and

> turn them into (almost) ordinary packages. 



I think if we do that then Python will need a treatment similar to GCC,

where we don't expose the package and instead offer a compound package

(could be called "python-toolchain" or just "python") which includes pip

and setuptools. The last decades of python packaging have trained people

that when you install python you get pip and setuptools as well, I think

we should not try to be too clever and violate that assumption.



Also, for what it's worth, we already have python-minimal which doesn't

have pip, and it's only