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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, bug-hurd@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1628803662; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=ftabfjqTNtfRIIYQLPwKeyEvwzpOQ65gfJ355WTP+Rg=; b=ikAcmi4G1h+kW6COl5ZY02emkhLung2wZipR9I3q72y9hqcx+5j4q9YWHpTjvD5M5R6bLN 6l+E8vC5+TndVPOC8c7P5k7apkagFPhyja6/MHt3Yf1xV0Ce4RP5fcGxCzbvGS3Gbcg2h9 rOgt+O0t/46GSxulUDshSu/gF3Uxmvo7O+td9jV2UqL+jC3RAc0jhqC1c5J5iN3cRO+66L FrHpM7Fe76tZi6uzlnI81v/nm8cfKoSRq74ZWRvnfDGP0ZMbxHkz5l+ccPCs5ACE+LgYG6 76EuTkybZC8d05ET3XtwD3NQELTSmyqBP27O04QE0LLrOyX9LrpgTigZqPKIaA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1628803662; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=iVniVYH+wA4MIq4sEwQU27o9ml4w8Sh+uzLbWepvDFqhBj9w3rKFf4ioNlIwsRD6Nb1LTb Rdl0Cye+mJEgRySJ2q3gIb+jp/ePHMf7XLsx7Z5Hd0y2ulfuKdkg48tv/z0jyiQ9rbGJmj pKYQfHlfWfumEpQBx4d0TnUcSP8VpJ/p4zYMotSL+YST0ZQjYtIvqIyGDeRF3i80JaoixZ weXqASL+vC9/sdZ6q+uZBLnSWYrZ6kmGUblvq8oXwF6E76dck/AB6ODNqQjOEQnC+48fHJ sc1PRUTN8AwPP3TdPFrI+iQmXGZNku4i/yM2AcQ4pllbnbL4vA5IOfE2GRz68g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zamaudio-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=hp3GOHMH; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.61 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zamaudio-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=hp3GOHMH; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 05E871FAD3 X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Qto+7jXmpc0K Hi Ludo, On 11/8/21 11:01 pm, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > It would be interesting to consider dropping the copyright assignment > requirement for Hurd/Mach/MiG. For what remains primarily a hobby > project, this looks to me like a hindrance more than anything else. I imagine it is slightly inconvenient for new contributors, but not a hindrance in my opinion. It ensures that FSF has complete control of the licensing. For example, how will FSF upgrade the project to GPLv3 if multiple people hold the copyright? (There are plans to remove the GPLv2-only code btw, as Samuel said). PS: Why are you promoting a widespread drop of FSF copyright assignment anyway? In my opinion, FSF is a better steward for copyright authorship than any company would be assuming you are working on free software on an employer's time and don't mutually agree with your employer to keep your own authorship. Even if you do keep it yourself, it makes it more difficult for anyone to enforce the GPL for that project. Don't tell me GPL enforcement never happens; for example look at the situation with OpenWRT. If anything, the lack of GPL enforcement means we need to work harder on it, not give companies more power over our free software projects. Damien