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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Damien Zammit , bug-hurd@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1629034591; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=0P9jvUDqLg/adobqLvQIGfg14fd4UmKKCuEdnb7gMj0=; b=ADMzPbkDK4cmuovq2O6a3KSv0o4Q0ntvd2YmnBt6y8erFDPSFGd3pZdp9G39G18r4qyVHm i+Pq7r/15E3IsPKacEuAOZ0uJUmuFwkJxZLMtL7b/0Q4YQeayohWlIEC2VfAFiJkx1QJFP 9VgadYGeGYgUgTkL3o4s9o/P0la2doY2XBhLIZQ6WZgcRI83d0jyVJCpwPZ03luUaL3gxD 1mSwondHIVFf1jrPIOScDe5flk+MXIGo4oyfRsaI3YbWvWibw841PHw5Pb1VUbGQQmfLBI DCsGNo+dGuoJeXCA/oo0zz8gOYm+bMi+XBuDsgkTOVrHoIl+30BLw+U8PlCdqA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1629034591; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=CB5gjLbqlrAnAli0rJK5XKs6UJEGZHMIERKEIXc1Mua2QRJFqqqViEGFRzofXEDTgImqZJ UPUrYjr46WcsfnvGRwOPjaFbB7WqlmaCRH6p0jxNGb6e/yXJQg/usVzBUTJc/1m3PlvMga FeUhVXiZt/2i6d+WiVKhh0R8LDXWK0SVdv3HWXfRimARFqSYR1k30eFT7bysrtkHYuNKMZ basQoFgRR3x+bP91YkN/bWdqs1ngoTh5ez4SQjhqG2wPHld5Tzb+0Nml3IPHp0ZG3H1EuL HU9DZfCbPHFyjWVCj2Z3qFRniUZ+FRXS6ZKnyY+3WkH29qLoBUO0JrKoVLsJyg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=iSdZrp9x; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmx.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.31 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=iSdZrp9x; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmx.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BD96A20C0 X-Spam-Score: -0.31 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Hr+GkWtyiDR1 Hi, On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 02:19:12PM +0200, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Michael Banck writes: > > > I don't mind that, but I also think the Hurd is not a tactical FSF asset > > anymore that needs to be kept under tight control. The FSF has enough > > copyright in the Hurd that it can enforce it whenever it likes, even if > > other people's copyrighted code (as is already the case with the pfinet > > I wouldn’t be so sure about that. > > 1. Without copyright assignment of all code involved, enforcement > becomes much harder. I don't think "much harder" can be quantified in a meaningful way, seeing how parts of the Hurd aren't under the FSF copyright at this point, anyway. > 2. The Hurt still provides capabilities other OS’es don’t — while > maintaining POSIX compatibility. We’ve seen audacity basically > being taken over by a company in the past months, so the danger of > losing Hurd to proprietarization rather got bigger than smaller. Nobody proposes that the FSF relicenses the Hurd to a non-copyleft license before relinquishing the copyright assignment mandate, so I don't see how the Hurd continueing to be under a GPLv2+ license will ever be able to be taken proprietary. I'm not going to respond further on this thread, this is starting to get off-topic really quick and if there are further things to be discussed, gnu-system-discuss or whatever other mailing list is likely the better place. Michael