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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1669569823; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=v9mCjJyWOtAzSMNJUZn4hE7cugmnXFaTaCtg+mFlt/Q=; b=aRcQNBRQR0KoXfbWDDd1CrM0uaUiFwFIhkbuq+rEjXYgllvmf0u+jEyJqjZRwMzPDe119C LFigUs66R93bFyK+UCXLmrUGwVojUFBwFEUFuOQ63+fcz+Q82DXHdNICFDuRZCbSr4mrh3 5s8viE9cbc/JXClC0DKUGrFxe43Gr1k/S159Yw2wTELqXnYYvUNrqyxksrwhnHRN82F6YM flRA1OrkcakG+oJINZNEExs8tPKi7bJgQ6rVwHh2M2ggJMIeLqEqMVafxMckcLwIusTdDn k8fiHnM2u2ZyUM8UVQOy4HqGuYQB4N1Gl0l2M44XxFocJs2LD/RRWsg10aoiFg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1669569823; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=NQdvjUzfnm/mDebs0RPdlWWh4CilAi4gKMFToF5vjJIIPUeXvYvuBzss+aR9zEkj5LdRe2 BtbUmW32jf7uFC59xfDdveb63/KuX1aTGJ7+jd37w5E6DzCLoaG1EjNj2Pk2VnRzV1skNq bkwcjt/nfPUZVRjwmjdnuoD6ls2ZafLzIXWgM+6BLyaPaderpgtWYr14WhLs6ls1ETx0wL 1a0zohKQVVPUxjiGwUjSxZ5f2xQDU1WFYmAcnsk3/cy8bLmfjc/vI9agC8XFMl9cjldYbC slz+ziqeEeZqzt0Owg1TGfbyOGf15NR5kNBfP3EEaz/2EIdPPfG11uipXfJMLA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b=SO50RRBN; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=protonmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.46 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b=SO50RRBN; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=protonmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4CECD2D136 X-Spam-Score: -0.46 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: oP5nws1mMwOd On Saturday, November 26th, 2022 at 9:47 PM, Simon Josefsson via "Developme= nt of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." wrote= : > I find use of the term 'advanced' wrt Guix confusing and even mildly excl= uding, even though it is wide-spread. [...] Can I use it even if I'm not an= advanced user? What do others think? I'll offer a perspective as a native English speaker who reads and writes a= lot about software. tl;dr: the word "advanced" can be offputting and give an exclusive vibe, be= cause of the ways it is typically used in idiomatic English prose written a= bout software. But to a small fraction of people it is the opposite, it is = welcoming and inclusive. In software marketing, if a product or solution is described as "advanced,"= that typically communicates that it considers and caters to demanding use-= cases which are beyond what most people face. If you want to reach people w= ho are struggling with distributed system uptime, describing an "advanced c= lustering solution" could be a good way to connect, for example. In software documentation and configuration, "advanced" is used as shorthan= d for "this is safe to ignore." Less-technical users feel reassured that th= ey can skip an "advanced" section entirely, never read it, and not miss any= thing that would be relevant to them. A technical user seeing "advanced" kn= ows that this might be interesting to them, but maybe not on the first read= -through before they are familiar with high level concepts; it's safe to sk= ip for now. Many applications have a section of their settings menu labeled= "advanced" - this too is a shorthand for "safe to ignore." Many users will= never even glance at the advanced settings of any application they use, an= d even power users will often wait until they have some experience with an = application before diving into advanced settings. To a small subset of hackers and techies, "advanced" is a welcome-word: it = says, this is something pithy that we included for those who dare to demand= flexibility and utility. For those users, an "advanced" software product i= s likely to be more interesting even if it's hard to use, and they dive int= o "advanced" configurations immediately in case there's interesting insight= s about software internals and capabilities in there. This is wholesome and= commendable behavior, but IMO folks who behave this way should consider th= at they are a fraction of one percent and their experience of software is i= n many ways unrelatable to that of their comrades.