From: Alexander Vdolainen <alex@vapaa.xyz>
To: Jesse Gibbons <jgibbons2357@gmail.com>,
psmith@gnu.org, svante.signell@gmail.com,
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Guix-devel <Guix-devel@gnu.org>, gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org
Subject: Re: (Really) Free Software future
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:18:44 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5f9d3355-0bae-787c-395e-2976c191f05d@vapaa.xyz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22d4a960b7ee45c48dcff0ca7afa7d93cf2b81d0.camel@gmail.com>
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Hi again,
On 10/14/19 9:59 PM, Jesse Gibbons wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 10/14/19 9:16 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
>>
>> (skipped)
>>
>>> For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary,
>>> using the common meaning of the term. Also, "lock-in" usually refers
>>> to software that prevents users from switching to an alternative; GNOME
>>> and systemd are certainly not lock-in.
>>
>> I'm afraid but I cannot agree with that. Actually with systemd design
>> you have 'lock-in', because in some cases you need to modify a source
>> code to support systemd (or you will face something like this -
>> https://superuser.com/questions/1372963/how-do-i-keep-systemd-from-killing-my-tmux-sessions).
>> Also, a lot of system daemons has eaten by systemd (and to make it works
>> some forks were created like eudev).
>> Finally, correct me if I wrong, but GNOME 3.8 and newer requires systemd
>> to run, it's a lock-in isn't it ?
> I'm assuming by GNOME you mean gnome-shell. Please let me know if I'm
> incorrect.
yep.
>
> Guix has packaged gnome-shell 3.30.2 but has not packaged systemd.
> If systemd was a requirement for gnome-shell guix would have had to package
> systemd in order for gnome-shell to compile and/or work, by definition of
> requirement.
> gnome-shell builds and works just fine in guix.
it's a good point. But as I understood a special fork of logind (elogind
or something similar required).
> It follows that systemd is not a prerequisite for gnome-shell 3.30.2.
yep, you can emulate it somehow :) but, I'm just happy without gnome,
let's assume 'gnome case' isn't a lock-in.
>
> Please consider this a friendly correction :)
ok, got it :)
>
--
Alexander Vdolainen,
Evil contractor.
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2019-10-14 10:07 ` (Really) Free Software future Was: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, Svante Signell
2019-10-14 15:26 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-14 16:13 ` Paul Smith
2019-10-14 16:52 ` (Really) Free Software future Svante Signell
2019-10-14 18:16 ` Paul Smith
2019-10-14 18:32 ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 18:59 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-14 19:18 ` Alexander Vdolainen [this message]
2019-10-14 19:35 ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-14 20:49 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-19 23:00 ` (Really) Free Software future in the light of systemd Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-21 17:58 ` Jean Louis
2019-12-15 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 19:11 ` (Really) Free Software future Paul Smith
2019-10-14 19:22 ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 19:11 ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-15 2:41 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15 19:56 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-15 20:31 ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-15 21:00 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-16 6:00 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-16 18:40 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-16 18:51 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-18 3:10 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 18:42 ` Jesse Gibbons
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