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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, bug-hurd@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1628862195; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Dr7T03GylpMHUoSkjiwC5K78D45LbZ5dSfFF5vvofeg=; b=Kfv7bLVYq9he/qU+k+GpFx1tTlslEjD0/e8Bsc7biXeaJtyYMsegxwK1io7b6I1YcvE1Mc lxMVrfY+NXiqaZQ7g/nymqAALFSA/y/05TL+rYoi89SXyju9Jw+x1W4It27L0sfjnAaA6X XSOWHphAd9kenQPr3AOdC6AeoNUJoU3tDjY07n+s7dRJV4PWR7FLhAKfy3ZEGS5usPG8+A 2/hSp9TRC/K3gwE+x1fvV4isHBDaFndYfM5A96CEGUg7ck1JYxAA4Jw4XUqjFy8/NmTf4d j/YEGIemQOeR1YlI1gI3Lgck/EJ+E672JMDOQltOsKVp9x8pHQproHHxx6jIVw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1628862195; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RyzLuyAYg/VyJeypQrWJ3vvTbt2P4f1YJcPp1vpHyhaOjgbB6KucU8yV78ZUxGDZa3dwCO kE1bjDeVS0ETxaEiJJw8nL0A2wXmA5GmWY1YvX3GxwkTMBuY4E7cyVCsEneDMSZoziW5lx QvCudA/yqs2KYiDyurXxuG3IkxyeIeq7TBGnybUg7ePPA8bCQ31GX/I+YQEiKxXj8WCfQ6 1nxUQ0vuIGc1DG9OPGWSLuEklFI69nhoz/LdKZLRC4vH/xPPdcrbyhPD4vn1UpZml/udUT AIMhikhONS6JKCq+WvagEr8M8rD4iwd6KLzJ3SsFDqnU4SLZoyqPkEvu2j6/Sg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r21 header.b=YeBY1ipS; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.21 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r21 header.b=YeBY1ipS; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8855C19389 X-Spam-Score: -5.21 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: G4OThJaLuXKr --=-rOoRhDZOs6bRX5OdTBaG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Damien Zammit schreef op do 12-08-2021 om 12:18 [+1000]: > Hi Ludo, I'm not Ludo, but here's my response anyway. (I'm interested in doing some small and larger things with the Hurd, but I keep being occupied by other things and I'm having a hard time understanding the inner workings ...) > On 11/8/21 11:01 pm, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > > It would be interesting to consider dropping the copyright assignment > > requirement for Hurd/Mach/MiG. For what remains primarily a hobby > > project, this looks to me like a hindrance more than anything else. >=20 > I imagine it is slightly inconvenient for new contributors, but not a hin= drance in my opinion. > It ensures that FSF has complete control of the licensing. > For example, how will FSF upgrade the project to GPLv3 if multiple people= hold the copyright? > (There are plans to remove the GPLv2-only code btw, as Samuel said). When the code is GPLv2-or-later, replace v2 with v3 in the license notices. If the code uses GPLv2-only code, first upgrade the GPLv2-only code to GPLv= 3-or-later. Upgrading the GPLv2-only code might be dificult if multiple people hold the copyright, so for the GPLv2-only code, it might be a good idea to still require copyright assignment. > PS: Why are you promoting a widespread drop of FSF copyright assignment a= nyway? > In my opinion, FSF is a better steward for copyright authorship than any = company > would be assuming you are working on free software on an employer's time = and don't > mutually agree with your employer to keep your own authorship. FWIW, Ludovic does not seem to be promoting assigning copyright to employer= s. > Even if you do keep it yourself, it makes it more difficult for anyone to= enforce > the GPL for that project. A fair point, though I don't know how accurate that is. 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