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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Jacob Hrbek Cc: "guix-devel@gnu.org" Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1637703101; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=zC98kE17MzHaazCPukTqeaBAC3zNnK8o4Fo/zU43ShM=; b=NiVgjpjef57C6z8tw+83CtVo+ovBTA9plhKSfcbSVRC/uXEv6AE3yp41FOS0RH75FInXY1 4nMoCOLBCjKRDoGHkiw62c2c0MiiTzJn1kGriR1CDak5ttPspUcFHAR51jBvI3Jd8OoWUM fxW0iNxDSM1XE0WHODfPvezopXSuD+hNY3OWosl98CtjIGZ7ZCXfznvSGxRs5hPKuvCIsh BP92O3RyglUFkkC3sd1SajrdAINOF73SlK0wOTxY13KTFAhngrpbfRWQxnnV6HD5cPLXJb q+j9kDLsGmZBMiPL4qCCpieV4M0hp8LSW2Wx71oa7olLIb9QswfknY9GYCYwlw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1637703101; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Ah8H+n5Ig5SmWfuTktBeAn5+xsixb5NBgWTEwaxkRV1brh5hOlU25gj9TqYcKy8KpNIdmZ /2cVfTPuaOz5lapSSQekpyPxA604yjDEJ7USq5ojkWoB6dHZYlnsaseWomsMXYMZCSi6KQ GkNctcglpSOpCnwFOGFteSDb+ecBHdHYpYLXg4cato6KZAZHmf1xXtOIOnRMfEbPpS7mD+ XhCXml48CgCMS2om5b54gKtuDVyZByAXO9eesyfqrkFKSO/1aEUHMT47+TX4rWRY6NBLFk 77JocYB2VcLlE9Xxv8/eFrS9NNS7c1TtExm5KVbYduZksLS1vzu7gVrOjG3jSA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=rixotstudio.cz header.s=protonmail2 header.b=LYF3d0YO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rixotstudio.cz; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.09 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=rixotstudio.cz header.s=protonmail2 header.b=LYF3d0YO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rixotstudio.cz; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9B8E8E317 X-Spam-Score: -6.09 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: IGvacWeTWEQe This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------8c134edeaf961b8e569fcf17b0679500c3176e36f6c93e79a4e3f0d25eeb768e Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------8513c0f1dc212a8ade5590f12ec94916 -----------------------8513c0f1dc212a8ade5590f12ec94916 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > Your Pok=C3=A9mon analogy is extremely flawed. The same CPU at a differ= ent clockrate does not perform the same task in the same amount of cycles = [1, 2]. -- lily The theory is that the measurements could be taken after X amount of time = to adjust the DPS that the CPU does to the package to get the build time, = See 'theory for real time measurements' in https://git.dotya.ml/guix.next/= GUIX.next/issues/5 using the previous theory using the reproduction build with limited system= resources to define the package complexity and to provide coordinates for= XY plane this could each be define per variable that influences the build= and then define the relation to determine the DPS which so far seem as th= e most accurate in my testing, but I am still experimenting with it e.g: Base damage: 1 - CPU at 1 Ghz -> Multiplier 0.24 - CPU at 2 Ghz -> Multiplier 0.31 But the current question should be: Do we want these timers implemented as= suming that it can be done without overhead and in a cheap way? and if so = how do we want to store and redistribute the logged data as those have a m= ajor impact on the calculation and methods used. -- Jacob "Kreyren" Hrbek Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original M= essage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Tuesday, November 23rd, 2021 at 8:09 PM, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Am Montag, den 22.11.2021, 22:02 +0000 schrieb Jacob Hrbek: > = > > See the proposal in https://git.dotya.ml/guix.next/GUIX.next/issues/5 > > = > > -- Jacob "Kreyren" Hrbek > > = > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > = > Your Pok=C3=A9mon analogy is extremely flawed. The same CPU at a differe= nt > = > clockrate does not perform the same task in the same amount of cycles > = > [1, 2]. > = > [1] Kotla, Ramakrishna & Devgan, Anirudh & Ghiasi, Soraya & Keller, Tom > = > & Rawson, Freeman. (2004). Characterizing the impact of different > = > memory-intensity levels. 3 - 10. 10.1109/WWC.2004.1437388. > = > [2] Snowdon, David & Sueur, Etienne & Petters, Stefan & Heiser, Gernot. > = > (2009). Koala a platform for OS-level power management. 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