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I don't know the details of the case at all but let met mention this: https://communityrule.info/ It comes from the world of worker cooperatives and I think them "rules of th= e community" is discussed a lot there as well =F0=9F=98=84 Cheers, Yasu > On May 1, 2021, at 18:16, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFPjotr Prins writes: >=20 >> Being a core committer is *not* a badge of honour. It does not give >> special privileges beyond what is expected. >=20 > But this may not be true. Quite a few people have expressed otherwise > over the years. >=20 > Maybe an issue is that much of the organizational structure of Guix is > implicit. The roles are not well defined and as a result, they may > reach beyond what is commonly understood. >=20 > Some time ago, I was discussing the quetsion of implicit structure with > Ludo, who sent me this essay: >=20 > https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm >=20 > I found it enlightening and quite relevant to the matter at hand. >=20 > Even if in the end my concerns end up being unjustified, I find it good > practice to always question the status quo: maybe something better could > come out of it! :) >=20 > Cheers! >=20 > --=20 > Pierre Neidhardt > https://ambrevar.xyz/ --Apple-Mail-0BCED131-78F6-483C-B505-8C515F324940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello!

I don't know the details of the case at all bu= t let met mention this:
It comes fro= m the world of worker cooperatives and I think them "rules of the community"= is discussed a lot there as well =F0=9F=98=84

Cheers,
Yasu

On May 1, 2021, at 18:16, Pierre Neidhardt &l= t;mail@ambrevar.xyz> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFPjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebir= d.nl> writes:

= Being a core committer is *not* a badge of honour. It does not give
special privileges beyond wha= t is expected.

But this may no= t be true.  Quite a few people have expressed otherwise
over the years.

Maybe an issue is that muc= h of the organizational structure of Guix is
implicit.  = ;The roles are not well defined and as a result, they may
re= ach beyond what is commonly understood.

Som= e time ago, I was discussing the quetsion of implicit structure with<= br>Ludo, who sent me this essay:

&nb= sp;https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm

<= span>I found it enlightening and quite relevant to the matter at hand.

Even if in the end my concerns end up being unju= stified, I find it good
practice to always question the stat= us quo: maybe something better could
come out of it! :)

Cheers!

--
Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/<= br>
= --Apple-Mail-0BCED131-78F6-483C-B505-8C515F324940--