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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 18:39:52 -0600 Message-ID: <547c097a-d805-9a55-11d9-b0434327f89d@gmail.com> References: <87msyhgccg.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <87msyhgccg.fsf@disroot.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=gcggd-guix-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.57, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.29 X-Spam-Score: 0.29 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 531D5473EE X-TUID: nMZ7WQyphkG+ On 8/24/23 12:33 AM, ( wrote: >> * We could support a managed web-based workflow > > The problem with this is that it would not be possible without changing > the git hosting entirely to something like Gitea. I'm personally a fan > of the email-based workflow; what, specifically, is it that bothers you > about it? If it's: I can envision some kind of upstream branch that's blessed and merged daily. The web crowd commits to that, the email crowd commits to main. > - Setting it up: Yes, this is annoying. Sadly, our mighty oligarchal > masters have taken it upon themselves to make it as annoying as > possible to use email from anywhere but their web or mobile clients. This isn't it at all, but I agree with your comment. I'm fond of email, and it's distressing how centralized it's become. > - Sending the emails: This isn't that bad once you get used to it; > sadly most Git clients (magit sadly included) don't support send-email > well or at all. But on the command line, all you need to do is: > > # for a single commit > $ git send-email --to=guix-patches@gnu.org -1 --base=master -a > # for several commits > $ git send-email --to=guix-patches@gnu.org -$N_COMMITS --base=master --cover-letter -a > > Or, if sending an amended series: > $ git send-email --to=$BUG_NUM@debbugs.gnu.org -$N_COMMITS --base=master -a -v$VERSION It's this. Having to: 1. Remember the flags and their values 2. Remember the email address (it might seem silly unless you have forms of dyslexia. is it guix-patches? or patches-guix? Wait, what was I doing?) 3. And then the whole deal with what to do with follow ups. I feel like I know my way around git pretty well, but I struggle with how those concepts map onto sending emails. I have only been able to surmount this by lifting these concepts through scripts into higher-order concepts with less cognitive overhead. > - Switching between branches: The best way to handle this is with > subtrees; see `git subtree --help`. Interesting! I use worktrees, but maybe subtrees are easier? I'll have to read up on this. Thank you! > - Applying patches: This is a bit annoying. Most email clients won't > let you set up commands to pipe mailboxes to, unlike aerc. Perhaps we > could have a `mumi apply` command to fetch a patch series from debbugs > and apply it to the checkout. I wrote some elisp to one-key apply patches from GNUS, but I guess my point is: not everyone can do that. How are we to expect more contributors if that, or something similar, is the barrier to entry? -- Katherine