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Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.15.0 Subject: Re: rewriting history; Was: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Content-Language: en-US To: Andreas Enge Cc: Simon Tournier , Attila Lendvai , Ian Eure , guix-devel References: <645b9b21-4923-eb23-7213-1c2cf5fe6850@fannys.me> <87sf0nwzl1.fsf@gmail.com> From: MSavoritias In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Last-TLS-Session-Version: TLSv1.3 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.95.52.48; envelope-from=email@msavoritias.me; helo=mail.webarch.email X-Spam_score_int: -23 X-Spam_score: -2.4 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.684, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.19 X-Spam-Score: 0.19 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3438B37257 X-TUID: epa0w3pgETMD On 3/18/24 16:19, Andreas Enge wrote: > Am Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 04:03:20PM +0200 schrieb MSavoritias: >> Rewriting history is the wrong question imo. I dont think a request to >> change all of the history of Guix will be accepted anyway. >> A much easier thing to do is to change the approach in the future. And let >> all the past history untouched. > I was well thinking about the future history as well as the past one... > Everything we do now becomes unmutable history in the future; so the > question how we can rewrite an a priori unmutable history remains the same, > regardless of the date when person X wants to be known as person Y: Also in > the future, someone may wish to travel to a time before the change. > And the fundamental problem of history rewriting remains; I do not see > how we could simplify it. So I do not think that it is "a much easier > thing to do". Please feel free to prove me wrong by making a concrete > suggestion! Actually gitlab already is facing something like that and they are doing what was proposed elsewhere: mapping of UUIDs to display names https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/20960 So no reason we couldn't do something like this. > > Am Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 04:00:38PM +0200 schrieb MSavoritias: >> On 3/18/24 15:12, Simon Tournier wrote: >>> Again, this is an incorrect frame, IMHO. Software Heritage (SWH) do the >>> things you granted them to do. SWH respects the “ethical” definition of >>> “free software”. >> You are bringing the legal argument again. The argument that you can do what >> you want with Free Software is based around a licence which is a legal >> construct of states. > I think there is a misunderstanding here, rooted in the use of "you" in > "you can do what you want". We need to be clear about whom we are speaking. > There is SWH, and what they can do is a result of the free license. The > other question is what we as the Guix community want to do (and can do); > I would suggest to concentrate in our discussion on the latter, which is > where we have agency. > > Andreas Right fair. As I have said before SWH does break Guix CoC effectively right now. So what Guix does from this point on will effectively dictate if the CoC is valid or not. MSavoritias >