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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1651696929; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=qqvZsrA5yZ92ViwiBC6lpvGT/b/P1wb0MEv6vnNZC9Q=; b=Ir7DLX0eO/wjSLNslzWy79ekr2XEYBn1boSK97E1gwr4NY2j0bTbPkXGZo55c8vsoUq1vN QkW+7X1LlsHTgLlO9n2rhcL9D6BP26ZAkFHwQOEISWUi3Qu6jbdHYsiUb5WtZDg9Le1nJ1 aNDLkqbPtVT8ZFuS1gjHUguGKMxYVobxkkxZ1AetYLRSkIMb7s2ZZye0HgdC6dsWNAERhV rmzYubNK1reZDc1i+ja+hcYokh7wTqKy2bUraQQ+WJSy6vH5BS9JYuzv8pOadQfd3vjTx1 W1rbWHyJyJTCsTvfDxx4TC+oBEkPj52PfYVc1vyaAZ42BWLDepxtJLkmwDR15Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1651696929; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=tj+lZxeuADr7OldkQuwJJRxAo5GRb7kcEhgnjlnXx778LRv9uWOA+u0/Q6ULkQalyKsLzK tdSuZIFDcrh70vnqrdhjLY0z5LW35pxtrdVeY1j7knkWgave79g4xYBRVe5Zg88I/4nFIp rPl2ef6E5tqGH6TcEt351Elyt4WsUdgPkeZ8fuHqXKrBxs8HLIgezqmdwJo0lcMgcZ1jMJ ls9iy3z7LXrsj+SOd3+/EZPRvP0VojOsr7eWIOn6X1WxsBtYaipuzgsukKZFGMs3GQqBhy 0JrM6Q+aSTiJzCEP9YYkRX+0yrkuWcK82lGCrIPEUYNh3jMIkIyc9ePnTvH2Ew== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=aeU4z7h0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.09 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=aeU4z7h0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8632386C4 X-Spam-Score: -8.09 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: sZCoz3doYihr --=-sIPMDKJDmWagyWrazRtZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op wo 04-05-2022 om 20:38 [+0200]: > Am Mittwoch, dem 04.05.2022 um 09:01 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos: > > I have seen that blog post.=C2=A0 I do use profiles, albeit with "guix > > environment" and now "guix shell".=C2=A0 But I have not yet seen any > > reasons for profile _splitting_.=C2=A0=C2=A0 > That's nice for you, but don't take that to mean that no one has any > reason to do so ever.=C2=A0 I don't. > I personally have my Guix profile already split > across several manifests, that could easily fit into separate profiles > if Guix didn't make working with those an absolute pain. ... but separate profiles =3D separate manifests (except when using "guix install")? > > And if I'm not the target audience, what does that matter? > It matters because it makes part of your complaint basically "fuck your > use case, mine's already satisfied" (pardon my French). This was not my complaint.=C2=A0 There are a lot of cool use cases there, though for whatever reason they were not mentioned in the original e- mal, so I had to ask what the use cases were. And FWIW, mine is not satisfied, profile building is still occassionally a bit on the slow side. What is my concern, is that most use cases I have seen mentioned seem like they can be addressed without extra configuration or records or manual steps and independently of Guix Home: slow union-build -> make it faster (linear or at least O(n lg n)), per-project packages -> use "guix shell -m manifest.scm", things change after "guix pull" -> Guix Home doesn't solve this(?). =20 So=C2=A0except for =E2=80=98guix shell maybe doesn't create GC roots suffic= iently often=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98keep things tidy and separate=E2=80=99 (though = the latter appears to be already done by "guix shell"?), I don't see why we need some Guix Home-specific manual configuration and complexity when we can have some automatic general optimisations instead. > As for the > other point, which is tangential issues remaining, those deserve fixing > too, but they're not the point of this debate. Particularly w.r.t. > evaluating search paths across multiple profiles, we already have an > instance of that even without allowing users to specify multiple > profiles easily. Thus we not only can think about them as different > matters, we should even derive solutions that work outside the context > of guix home! I don't understand this paragraph, weren't these issues the whole reason for introducing this manual configuration thing? (And the thematic profile, which is not tangential IIUC.) Greetings, Maxime --=-sIPMDKJDmWagyWrazRtZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iI0EABYKADUWIQTB8z7iDFKP233XAR9J4+4iGRcl7gUCYnLk/hccbWF4aW1lZGV2 b3NAdGVsZW5ldC5iZQAKCRBJ4+4iGRcl7p0vAQDH+TzCYiEXbxmY5bPbWlczvlDI Niq0qOE8XqAtIK9+BAD/S3xzrfUErnMKcv6brVBoFSKMzOlOqWkVLUk5T+wcBQA= =3zUw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-sIPMDKJDmWagyWrazRtZ--