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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1626098200; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=V2agGzSXabLTP6yqDCSgNwE6COWH4m3JzpC2fj/dKK4=; b=dvRVR8fTTyVxBy9SbzAT1fZ+bIEc8EGz+kADrn9I8Or2mXlnSbggxRumvF458Z4LRBN+cF l4hBvKibfLo7eRuOvfKzAXCm8UPWBV/iIyGKSIX3JWhTsRc8mOe67N7E+lle4qSiG1Cblr 4G/ugHtEAkWMzkI7XyyOqRiOIrZ8WpeL93/n7FZSmoREvr/utqio63Mgf0jV8Stn4Dv5Nh x5h3nfJprnhUO09STukfkDdnRIFLVNQPfFSYyl6eVJnIMfdxuFZrjmP2CpAdWDRwYAgCzp bah5RHQJWxqDVFp0DPEqpz6rY9mpmZEBdWyOq8WuIOuBCjJPCUS/qsP2XylKdQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1626098200; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=KWjrEFiXT6zvmW610yjVqv3Z4Fec3u0qZymts9zvihqyXfWcOe8Rs+futKp2Nb1IDnJ9+d lTAknQbI5G6eZHuYyCRMSC4chcnWdv9XvtfpYgxboHWXV6f0/5odS7CD05tVfdfkhRUAwy Xxwj3b9BkfbtOZSLCUu6t7D8dtHqoKe8CnJkOFML+4H90I55m2VioG/tk867nqlENpOAlG qM3ABxDWCjysOey5VV6hSVKi5uysbk4VZgIFpTkVv4+d1ZDDXkaRJKqBLa4Z5nzGchl8Rm Mf7hlODSu5faECMeLkBbQ1HJ8t9TP1J8Wmc4ScsyaCKPnUBYOFdn1X4mVPzAYw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=pjS0Fc2P; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=student.tugraz.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.10 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=pjS0Fc2P; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=student.tugraz.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9C42FA305 X-Spam-Score: -3.10 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: E/QfTYn17mLR Hello Giovanni, overall you make a great summary, there's just some points I wish to add as I'm also following the drama around audacity. Am Montag, den 12.07.2021, 10:37 +0200 schrieb Giovanni Biscuolo: > Can I say that's not a Guix problem? :-) > > AFAIU The Muse Group intentions are that Audacity it's going to be > GPLv3+, that's even better than GPLv2... good luck Muse Group! W.r.t. licensing there are some concerns raised about a CLA, that would enable the Muse Group to reuse all the code (whether GPLv2+ or GPLv3+) under any license of their choosing, including making it proprietary. Perhaps that's not their intent, but it's bad optics either way. > > * A new privacy policy > > That's relevant only for people using telemetry (off by default); > AFAIU > privacy policies are not covered by FSDG: am I wrong? > > [...] The privacy policy could potentially violate some of the software freedoms (particularly freedom 0), but it's unclear whether it would apply to the telemetry-free Guix builds, since the issue here is compliance between the telemetry and the GDPR. > [...] > > # Audacity Forks > > [...] > > > It is probably to early to tell which if any of the Audacity forks > > are > > going to be maintained over an extended period of time. > > > > # Guix and Audacity > > [...] > > > Before the next update of the version of Audacity that Guix > > packages > > it would probably be a good idea to reassess the situation with > > Muse > > Group's Audacity and the Audacity forks. Please bear in mind, that this is not a mutual exclusion. We can package Audacity up to 3.0.2 without problems and perhaps also later versions with telemetry disabled (assuming everything else about this hypothetical 3.0.3 is fine). We can also package forks like tenacity next to it, similar to how we have both glimpse and GIMP. Regards, Leo