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It= =20 could generate UI on the fly (by templates system) and use shell and GUI mo= de.=20 Additionally GUI mode could use console, GTK4, Qt5 backends. Writing DE tools in libgreattao could brings unification and simplicity. Fo= r=20 example, xdg-su could be rewritten in libgreattao, instead of communication= =20 with other tools. Libgreattao will load GTK or QT or console backend. KDE=20 devel could alter look of programs, creating own design files. The same cou= ld=20 be done by GNOME developers. It brings many possibilities. Read more: https://nintyfan.wordpress.com/2023/05/20/tao-dialog/ I known, that It lacks manpower. I rewrite everything currently as version = 3,=20 which eliminates a lot of problems, but it does not compatible fully with=20 libgreattao2. tao-dialog is small tool, which partially emulates kdialog and zenity. Mayb= e=20 in future I will add xmessage support also. It would not be drop-in=20 replacament maybe, but it would work great for simple usage. The great thin= g=20 is it uses libgreattao, so when script call tao-dialog inside terminal, it= =20 loads console backend of GUI mode. DE could alter environment variable to a= sks=20 to load GTK+ or QT backend. Read more: https://nintyfan.wordpress.com/2023/05/20/tao-dialog/ . What next? When I done libgreattaoV3 and tao-dialog, maybe replace xdg-su a= nd=20 write tool for replacing setting-executable-bit-and-running dialog. Maybe I= =20 write select-app-to-open-file-with dialog. Instead of duplicate efforts and= =20 write tools, desktop agents, backends, etc. not better write it in libgreat= tao=20 and allow it to generate UI or write template file to alter it. And it will= =20 works in KDE, GNOME and Console? Thanks, S=C5=82awomir Lach.