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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1657585004; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=C16CssBvBbSVX1Ro7kKSUFRmuYwNLZvm7kC8eMpRfdY=; b=BuUKvncW2LWh/1xBpNenYPunl3QJQUozt0vzOLnkoD26h2kCylauW/OkeDJF7BP7NBIwrZ spBrU9qHBqYa/NQrJLnUrgkxtq9q28jKRnf0pt8QmeQMrmSdClBdGpqlLUKPVi2/IUSIJQ OlttytCyHPGJ5a1jdoxQP5FqYBkJ6aNEeyHTSqJlNgrWh8ZoGMofRwKjvJReLDaAfXJFqn ZNLfO5thsfHuk1CRM6sz7kNQZWIqe2PBm+oyqbhE/Y8UraDmvb1IFOfUuvIr/tTcGAS1U6 Lng1f4dvIWnCQBd0YuuL9dDP6mW12Z/wswwh81+qLe9vmJ+dlR3JwECSya88hg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1657585004; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hKKGK+qRd5fS0/aiGpBGZVhZtPraWq8oD4i4wmU28lpD2fqds+0UEBU6ditHY5AYfOy2EU A3d0cT2i1mDWcvnPblXbH1sjELhOOrbIiaT5E4bYABY2fzFGWYCfn4rXPIzTOpoEdMUwHs EBws7jsMmiPJIXBAaFROFqHaEMkmxMZoosOv9yirsCICFvAPdWQaYglwylgSTTVUjtI9ED 0PLIKvKITo5ggwBVupS8cAPxGqKojsFNlC+1GlLp2xS7D36ZkHJ5coG49f49QMIvHF9VKA v7UX+wP3jd9rB1hl8D14a35jTert3b6DbgDA7iLD1CBRidYF8HVyOyH6hd0iFw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=FawzA3fy; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=libre.brussels; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.45 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=FawzA3fy; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=libre.brussels; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BB85316DF7 X-Spam-Score: -5.45 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: z8p04CEix+Un On 12-07-2022 00:44, Joshua Branson wrote: > Sorry for starting this centuries flame war, but I can't help but be > more and more impressed with OpenBSD. It seems ideal for small scale > servers (aka NOT large databases). It tries really hard to be secure > by > default and has great documentation. With OpenBSD it is easy to set up > a static website (httpd) and your own email server (openSMTPD, spamd, > and pf). > > I would argue that the average user will find OpenBSD to be easier to > secure than the Linux kernel. > > The Hyperbola GNU/Linux team recently announced that they would ditch > Linux for OpenBSD. They are using the OpenBSD kernel and the OpenBSD > userland. And they are GPL-ing all of the code. It sounds like they > will > have to replace 20% of said code. > > https://www.hyperbola.info/ > > Though the website currently says "Donate to keep the project alive". > So that's not super reassuring... > > Anyway, assuming that the HyperbolaBSD team accomplishes their goals, > would Guix System or Guix ever be able to run on HyperbolaBSD? I know > that Guix System ties itself to glibc. HyperbolaBSD does NOT use glibc > and probably never will. Would it be feasible/desireable for Guix & > Guix > System to support a BSD kernel and alternative libc? What about other > OSes? > > Thanks, > > Joshua > > P.S. I just recently came accross this guide for getting started with > OpenBSD on servers: http://si3t.ch/ah/en/toc/ I am really impressed > with how easy/awesome OpenBSD is. I recall dicussing this topic area with you last year: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2021-06/msg00080.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2021-06/msg00082.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2021-06/msg00083.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2021-06/msg00084.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2021-06/msg00085.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2021-06/msg00086.html Im pleased that the Hyperbola community has been making strides. Hopefully I can one day have an OpenBSD kernel overseeing Guix SD. Kind regards, Jonathan McHugh