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Undermining the governments ability to raise tax also means undermining the ability to build schools, kindergartens, public libraries, public transport, streets, etc. Who is going to pay and provide all of this, If there is no democratically controlled(*) government? You might argument that this will then be paid be wealthy people - but the country will depend solely on their will and want. And these wealthy people are not controlled at all. And these people might wage war, too. We already had such a system in the medieval time. It:s called feudalism. So nothing is won by undermining the government. (*) Democratic control still needs a lot of improvement. Esp. in the USA where „the winner takes it all“ results in a two-party system, which does not represent the people. But this is another issue. -- Regards Hartmut Goebel | Hartmut Goebel | h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com | | www.crazy-compilers.com | compilers which you thought are impossible |