From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms9.migadu.com with LMTPS id UJwbB2AXNWTlzwAASxT56A (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 10:16:32 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id eHTpBmAXNWRHNgEA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 10:16:32 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9543EEC3 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 10:16:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pm9AQ-0002cZ-JY; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 04:15:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pm9AO-0002cD-33 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 04:15:52 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-x643.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::643]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pm9AM-0003Gz-BZ; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 04:15:51 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-x643.google.com with SMTP id sg7so29629709ejc.9; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 01:15:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1681200947; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:to:from:subject:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=BSh8niEP/blVPxvd07WuiYrFsUpZgWTF1DdYrQQ0JRo=; b=dyXQpx4LVtcNkEG2VRzRCWqahrQs9Td5q/pQkRaFEhqYcFGmUXnRHt2zcUZ4dlmeLu V9HfWRfUNTRrT41jKrWuKasA9c/MF0SnbQsOEXBxTXNY+men/G+pQAScHCjgemqnCGN8 aS2U4wW99y+B9UCbNcfWBkx0CMx1+WEQcD6S2qOLme0sL7QIrg1IYncmVwYn5W9guVh9 yBaRM0Vr4thtKCKAwKUuUj6sO89bj6RHzJdnWc8sx5HKzkkJUOPgDzOOVKUXQxduYX2o DqYfgJU+8uiCGhe1eoJPqNujc0ciJ41kgemCi5Q8YY/GiHDNbnefVZDOiaBOPRfzqhl8 c6NA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1681200947; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:to:from:subject:message-id:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=BSh8niEP/blVPxvd07WuiYrFsUpZgWTF1DdYrQQ0JRo=; b=Komsq6x4JQZCcmexHfSnDhq7SK33j8FfUM44YQ1+6ShLcl0f7GxPVatbzLDiC842dp c+Q3ntcuoqXtF2fDc+MZ2MdvZv/DVms8taL0aFmekLChl9CB/B2nN4sGvVUyjERtjLDk Nqg9pky3cKcz0ea30pOMrOLSJ8N+TTuIo6kl/TPHhgTDdOJen+kzE3ccLTbULEa+Lzhj uxO7vp3kV+y26Ys1g7v3Haiqw5+HfnMPkkkHKquJ9etd6kBW1l05jhYyaTFJ8jUYSh2D /daCmfju0/nwxoYK5h7xDVzYOGWcTDGusYr6x3W6ZIAL5Ga2qV0U918bxVayquWXJkOi fmFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9ekfiwJMf0B/mP3cyxriq91cOE1wzWdje2XyG1aebC+g0pN3zWC jFiUH291pIctjF9OFJKipB59gTJX2xhBZg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350YhAwWn+fg04K7TM/TaIzFqyT4JtaPZD3CUHBxG4TSyju+9DuqIVi9F5j2QXGjCc5kCTFD1sw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:8a29:b0:94a:7225:92f with SMTP id sc41-20020a1709078a2900b0094a7225092fmr7734549ejc.11.1681200946801; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 01:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lumine.fritz.box (85-127-52-93.dsl.dynamic.surfer.at. [85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gn20-20020a1709070d1400b00946e6dd887csm5825200ejc.126.2023.04.11.01.15.46 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 11 Apr 2023 01:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3f375510a5c66c7d6c8a9abdcad61ce3f06e20e2.camel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: GOOPS-less Shepherd From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Ludovic =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= , guix-devel Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 10:15:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87r0swhilc.fsf@inria.fr> References: <87r0swhilc.fsf@inria.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::643; envelope-from=liliana.prikler@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x643.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1681200991; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=k8zNTc3XkpSctr/2Zse7ivbZRVYftRJCapJhBUT9TSd3J+5C6RAl14Z59l+9iAUmPbGwpH L2siU7AqPfsxl7Q9Zn/B1u1dGBbgifdAcRcLHvQUl1tTYCUPurtJTCD3orxzc4A/rT5X2g Ew9TFfs0R5N2bbusmo3K76jeNvm2+6MawZij+524Fid+Ln9qvqVBE36gEAICLHgr3QS1oH 9S8svnoQU5r7tdKcPpaUuST9QGUDN3/g6USryeKRgDEtEKLKrpBFnBAs2Zb6F3lTb1RFep lEEoLE7GuOWnhCpZtkHQX76ksvMwT6jVoMF/7nOOPu8Ob3Pb4xUUy3AtTCWwXg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=dyXQpx4L; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1681200991; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=BSh8niEP/blVPxvd07WuiYrFsUpZgWTF1DdYrQQ0JRo=; b=LEFIfhN/T0cD37/3BcfsB8CSSxxkMPDb3BJZOGvS6ANXkVcE11xBMdr/AYja6NHoWCRy3A W9Rn4PAAqQC/Fo5MW7Xr+RoogHeP4NOYLPxyNj99xPYJwsiM+xNL0W7JG4Lx8+fQkeREBp J3TOluhad8L1rN29xztCY0XzmzWu3yYfajADaFG+pAa/pkOlAKsjm963LKmYlfz/6q4ohM DtMoBNDTYVEOQ7jQhQ+7D9mN4+NAeHsLF8UXg0FbNotrJqoW4/FGG59XMZzj3OWw9DNDrz l/X+lAbxPR3Oa5FWE5AYo75Uz2vg33R9Zh4pbRfoUHyll7dchlKwzhJCh+5IBA== Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=dyXQpx4L; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -11.55 X-Spam-Score: -11.55 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C9543EEC3 X-TUID: Kmsn8ekZTWQa Am Donnerstag, dem 06.04.2023 um 22:16 +0200 schrieb Ludovic Court=C3=A8s: > What=E2=80=99s at stake, mostly, is the ability to reconfigure a long-run= ning > shepherd instance.=C2=A0 Once 1.0.x is in Guix, =E2=80=98guix system reco= nfigure=E2=80=99 > will most likely fail to upgrade services on a pre-0.10.x shepherd: > users will have to reboot. This caveat however, will only be a one-time thing, right? That is, once running Shepherd 0.10.x or 1.0.x, you can reconfigure without needing to reboot supposedly until the next API break happening at 1.90.x or 2.0? Cheers