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On 28-07-2022 01:15, Ryan Prior wrote:= 
Why isn't node a dependency =
for node-mersenne though?

It is. node-mersenne uses node-build-system, which has node (or node-lts, dunno) in its implicit inputs.

Did you mean: 'Why isn't node propagated?'

For the same reasons as why any plugins don't propagate the thing they are plugging in, and why any library doesn't propagate its interpreter:

  • There is more than one implementation, how would Guix know which one you'd like?
  • Propagation stops you from separately updating the library and the interpreter (with "guix package -u this-package", or time machines, or defining a package variant).=C2=A0 (Actually, "guix package -u this-package" will =E2=80=98succeed=E2=80=99 because c= ollision detection is disabled IIUC, but you can't decide which one wins)<= /li>
  • ???

Also, see my answer on 'Is there really a use case for shipping ...=E2=80=99.

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