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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -4.37 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E52B3656EA X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.37 X-TUID: q6ZDtGjb1tks at one point i tried to compile some large projects written in golang in a = reproducible way, and making sure that they use the exact same versions of = all their dependencies. in short: there's a philosophical mismatch between how guix and the golang = crowd looks at building go apps. guix likes to explicitly represent every d= ependency in the guix namespace. golang has its own way of gathering the de= pendencies (and the nixos crowd don't mind "vendoring" the dependencies). i've also worked on the golang importer (https://issues.guix.gnu.org/55242 = which needs a bit more care). once it works reliably enough, then it'd be p= ossible to import the entire transitive closure of the dependencies into an= isolated namespace in guix, which would be a halfway solution between the = two conflicting philosophies. for now i've abandoned that endeavour in favor of adding binary packages to= my channel, but i made some notes on the way: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/43872 a go-build-system patch http://issues.guix.gnu.org/50227 discussion with iskarian https://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2021-08-31.log#024401 https://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2021-08-31.log#180940 =09iskarian: If you search for my name and "go" or "golang" in the ma= iling list archives, you should find a lot of discussion https://savannah.gnu.org/users/lfam =09Here's a more recent message from me: https://lists.gnu.org/archiv= e/html/guix-devel/2019-03/msg00227.html =09Ah, I see I've unknowingly repeated you! https://lists.gnu.org= /archive/html/guix-patches/2021-08/msg01222.html =09Heh, it's gratifying that someone else came to the same conclusion= . It means I wasn't totally in the weeds --=20 =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CThe anxiety children feel at constantly being tested, their fear o= f failure, punishment, and disgrace, severely reduces their ability both to= perceive and to remember, and drives them away from the material being stu= died into strategies for fooling teachers into thinking they know what they= really don't know.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 John Holt (1923=E2=80=931985), 'How Children Learn' (1967)