From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: HiPhish Subject: Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3893574.yNgoui0T1j@aleksandar-ixtreme-m5740> References: <11169507.O9o76ZdvQC@aleksandar-ixtreme-m5740> <87pnvt9fhz.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59369) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHCc7-0005MI-K1 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 14:50:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHCc4-0005RW-8Q for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 14:50:11 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:43755) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHCc4-0005R0-1M for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 14:50:08 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 958B72400E6 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:50:06 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87pnvt9fhz.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Monday, 29 October 2018 12:08:56 CET you wrote: > I think you a have burden of proof here, given that our culture at large > has serious issues with harassment. Why would you think FLOSS community > is somehow different from the wider community? No, you have a burden of proof that "our" culture (whatever this "our" is=20 supposed to mean, I have no idea where you live and you have no idea where = I=20 live) has a serious issue with harassment. > You can harass someone whilst believing your acting positively. E.g. an > ex-partner that "just wants to show how much they love the person that > spurned them". And ends up stalking them. You cannot accidentally stalk someone. Stalkers who are not aware they are= =20 harassing have a mental disorder. Calling them harassers is against the ter= ms=20 of the CC because it is discrimination by disability. See how easy it is to= =20 break the terms of the CC? > You're conflating harassment and offense here. It is one thing to be > offended by individuals using the wrong cutlery for the entr=E9e; it is > another entirely for someone to, e.g. use crass racist caricatures. You intentionally chose the most extreme examples. > All the more important we do everything we can to minimise the existing > barriers to contributions from all walks of life. By pointing a gun at the people most likely to contribute? > This reads hyperbolic, if not somewhat conspiratorial to me. No guns > are being held to anyone's head, no life's endangered or violence even > threatened. I also disagree with the implication that harassment > complaints might be weapons used by a nefarious competing party. People are putting their careers on the line even by having this discussion= in=20 the first place. There is a reason why I am using a pseudonym. I have provi= ded=20 links to the other guy of people who had their jobs ruined under the preten= se=20 of a CoC. The people who made the accusations never ended up filling the vo= id=20 themselves, they only go around destroying. > If you don't mind me asking, what are you afraid of? See above.