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[2003:d2:df1c:fb00:abb8:1787:6d5:2808]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ah1sm3591139ejc.43.2020.08.13.03.52.34 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Aug 2020 03:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Fwd: Installer: Language and Location should be (optionally) independent of each other To: guix-devel@gnu.org References: <15014d9a-30b5-9558-d4ae-48848cf86ed6@gmail.com> <7694B610-4E30-4CB3-B952-22D4A2CFB27F@lepiller.eu> From: dcn Message-ID: <386b8856-cbaf-375d-79bf-e4cfde4fdbc2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:52:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7694B610-4E30-4CB3-B952-22D4A2CFB27F@lepiller.eu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D834EC6824B6426D6370B394" Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::633; envelope-from=gnopap@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x633.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=RrNVFuZQ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.71 X-TUID: qX7eOYC//N/0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D834EC6824B6426D6370B394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think it was just me being a bit .. slow at that very moment. I somehow interpreted "Choose a territory for this language" as the actual location which would be used for the timezone and such, not as the 'variant' of the language. It might help if the language code is listed along the territory name * Australia - en-AU * Botswana - en (?) * Canada - en-CA or the other way around. ... While I was looking at the list a bit more closely, it doesn't seem to follow any standards or best practices. is en_DK even a thing ? What about en-TT (trinidat) or en-JM for example ? I never delved into locales, maybe it's some *x specific quirk .. On 8/12/20 5:46 PM, Julien Lepiller wrote: > Well even if it makes sense now, we don't want users to be confused > when installing their system. What happened exactly? Maybe we can fix > the wording or something? > > On 2020年8月12日 10:19:05 GMT-04:00, dcn wrote: > > After seeing the resulting scm file it makes a lot more sense. I > might have written this e-mail a tad bit too hastily. > > <3 > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Installer: Language and Location should be (optionally) > independent of each other > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 16:05:07 +0200 > From: dcn > To: guix-devel@gnu.org > > > > Hi ! > > Going through the Installer and getting "stuck" at the first 2 > question already: Language and Location. > > If I chose English, I'm only allowed to chose officially English > speaking countries. Why can I not have an English installation, > when I currently live in Germany for example ? While I can most > likely change that post installation, it is still quite > irritating. There should at least be a button for "other" or > "differs" or some such. > > Great work regardless, keep it up ! :) > --------------D834EC6824B6426D6370B394 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I think it was just me being a bit .. slow at that very moment. I somehow interpreted "Choose a territory for this language" as the actual location which would be used for the timezone and such, not as the 'variant' of the language. It might help if the language code is listed along the territory name

* Australia - en-AU
* Botswana - en (?)
* Canada - en-CA

or the other way around.

...

While I was looking at the list a bit more closely, it doesn't seem to follow any standards or best practices. is en_DK even a thing ? What about en-TT (trinidat) or en-JM for example ? I never delved into locales, maybe it's some *x specific quirk ..


On 8/12/20 5:46 PM, Julien Lepiller wrote:
Well even if it makes sense now, we don't want users to be confused when installing their system. What happened exactly? Maybe we can fix the wording or something?

On 2020年8月12日 10:19:05 GMT-04:00, dcn <gnopap@gmail.com> wrote:

After seeing the resulting scm file it makes a lot more sense. I might have written this e-mail a tad bit too hastily.

<3


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Subject: Installer: Language and Location should be (optionally) independent of each other
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 16:05:07 +0200
From: dcn <gnopap@gmail.com>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org


Hi !

Going through the Installer and getting "stuck" at the first 2 question already: Language and Location.

If I chose English, I'm only allowed to chose officially English speaking countries. Why can I not have an English installation, when I currently live in Germany for example ? While I can most likely change that post installation, it is still quite irritating. There should at least be a button for "other" or "differs" or some such.

Great work regardless, keep it up ! :)

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